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Saturday, October 15, 2005
Beware the "Augmented" McCain Amendment!
Marty Lederman
The Conference Committee that will consider and reconcile the Senate and House defense appropriations bills is scheduled to meet this coming week. The Senate bill contains the "McCain Amendment," which would prohibit all U.S. personnel from engaging in cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of detainees -- i.e., engaging in conduct that would "shock the conscience" under Due Process Clause doctrine -- anywhere in the world.
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Professor Lederman, your blogs on U.S. policy with regard to humane treatment of detainees have been an immense service to our country and to human decency. In a noble cause, they combine crucial information, clear reasoning and passionate concern. Many thanks, and please stay on the case! Posted 10/15/05
Professor Lederman, your blogs on U.S. policy with regard to humane treatment of detainees have been an immense service to our country and to human decency. In a noble cause, they combine crucial information, clear reasoning and passionate concern. Many thanks, and please stay on the case! Posted 10/15/05
Let me second that: you've done some really fine work on this topic Marty, and please keep it up.
But there is one thing missing from this analyis, and from the general debate: 18 USC 2441 (War crimes), the War Crimes Act of 1996 and Expanded War Crimes Act of 1997. Any grave breach of Geneva, any violation of Geneva Common Article 3, or any violation of the Hague IV (1907) Annnex of Regulation Concering the Laws and Customs of Land Warfare arts. 23, 25, 27 or 28 is a federal felony whenever such an act is committed by or against a US national or service member anywhere in the world. The Geneva Conventions are non-derogable for the duration of hostilities, there is no staute of limitations, and war crimes exclude any form of immunity. The Bush administration is already guilty of literally thousands of counts, their "interpretations" of the laws are patently fraudulent, and their current efforts are just further evidence of their already fully obvious crimes. Any member of Congress who votes to authorize those crimes will themselves be guilty of violating 18 USC 2441 -- in fact, I believe there is already probable cause to believe that Senators Stevens, Cornyn, and Sessions (among others) are actively aiding and abetting those crimes. This administration and the party that that spawned it are an absolute disgrace to our nation. There is only one real issue here, and indeed, only one real issue in US politics and law: defending the Constituion of the United States and making sure that these outrageous criminals are punished to the full extent of the law for their crimes -- even if it takes 30 years or more to do it. Regards, Charles Gittings PEGC //http://pegc.no-ip.info/
I believe Mr. Gittings is on the mark. I don't know how we can restore decency after the Bush regime without accountability and severe punishment. Such as been the success of the Neocons' propaganda campaign to ingrain a nihilistic relativism in the public that I would go further and say that some sort of national Truth Commission (or soul-searching -- to include the heart with the brain) is crucial if we hope to reverse our plunge into barbarism and divisiveness.
Marty Lederman is as usual right on target in assessing the threat of the Stevens "augmentation" and the considerations that lurk behind it. We should all keep in mind that, even though the public eye has been kept focused on Abu Ghraib and various courtmartials coming out of it, the most serious abuses have consistently been linked to CIA and special forces operatives. A large part of the uniformed military's problem has related to CIA techniques which have "migrated." Indeed, even the recent account provided by Capt Ian Fishback about the 82d Airborne at Camp Mercury shows that the most abusive techniques were "taught" by CIA and special ops forces. Acceptance of the Stevens amendment is acceptance of torture as an officially sanctioned US practice. This must be vigorously opposed.
The Minds Limit Today
In Jean Amery's, The Minds Limit, his capture and descent into torture by German Nazi’s, starts by pointing out that his torturers showed no “banality of evil” in their faces. First there is the "laugh" and then the "first blow". The prisoner then realizes that they are "helpless". Lost is the “trust in the world.” Certainly there is no “mutual aid in nature.” No. It is time for the “business room.” But before describing his own torture the author makes “good on a promise I gave.” Not that they where not specialists in torture, but more so his conviction that “torture was the essence of Nationalist Socialism – more accurately stated, why it was precisely in torture that the Third Reich materialized in all the density of its being.” I ask you dear citizens should we also "codify" that the detainees at Camp Xray can also be children as recently reported in the news? Not only does that sound slightly like the rule of antiman but I do believe antichild included. And if that is so then the rule practiced as such has “expressly established it as a princple.” So just what else in "essence" does go on at Camp Xray – "tricks"? Plead mercy, pray tell? Refuse Himmlers offer for a Certificate of Maturity in History I would suggest. Nay, to forsake the Constitution and be depraved of our humanity would be more painful in the end Mr Rumsfeld. Slavery to torture is all you will get. Go tell that to the Marines Mr. Rumsfeld after you have tendered your resignation. I am Citizen Michael John Keenan
But then, this is *only* (pseudo) torture. How about directly legalizing assassination? Yep, that’s what John – Voodoo Jurist - Yoo hinted a month ago (in the front page of the Wall Street Journal, no less):
YOUNG LAWYER PROPOSES ASSASINATING MORE SUSPECTED TERRORISTS http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05255/570140.stm “(…) Asked after his AEI talk whether there is a classified Justice Department opinion justifying assassinations, Mr. Yoo hinted that he'd written one himself. "You would think they -- the administration -- would have had an opinion about it, given all the other opinions, wouldn't you?" he said, adding, "And you know who would have done the work."
Can the law makers who allow our government to perform crimes against humanity like torturing citizens of another country be held accountable in the World court.
I can hardly bear to read this - it makes me sick to my stomach -- waterboarding? live burial?
What kind of people do this? The Bush administration is dragging America into slime, turning the shining city on the hill into a cesspool. What you have become is a tragedy for the world.
I don't like the idea of U.S. forces (or CIA) torturing anybody. But you guys all seem to think we can "beat these bullies" without getting our hands dirty. Do you ever think what the consequences will be if you're wrong?
I listened to Jennifer Harbury's recent C-SPAN2 talk (Book TV), on her book Truth, Torture, and The American Way, and responded to it today in my blog, Robosoldiers. Most of you will doubtless think me Neanderthal, but try to use some analysis. The Harvard article I mention (on using game theory vis-a-vis our declared policy of non-assassination of foreign leaders) also, I believe, applies to questions of torture. Basic point of military history: if your enemy is willing to go to lengths that you aren't, you may be in for a badass wake-up call. No need to respond. Not expecting any real analysis, just more and more platitudes from the moral high ground. Merely hoping someone will mark my words. Jonathan
what baddies? The US war on 'terra' is, at least in major part, a myth promulgated by the neocons to ensure perpetual war and, eventually, perpetual fascism. If it were not for peak oil and the location of most of the remaining oil in the world, we wouldn't be in Iraq nor salivating about Iran. I cannot wonder that much of the world regards the US as its enemy now or to be. And the fact that we torture folks -- and kill them in detention makes me ashamed to be American and ashamed for America. We can be tough and committed without torturing and without sinking into fascism. But will we? Not if the neocons and corporatists remain in power. And frankly, there is little opposing them right now. So you are probably witnessing the end of the America that was decent and worthy of admiration and the beginning of the abomination, the American Empire.
Basic point of military history: if your enemy is willing to go to lengths that you aren't, you may be in for a badass wake-up call.
I don't see how that 'basic point,' if it is one, applies here. Flying planes into buildings is one extreme length to go to, torture is an entirely different one. They're apples and oranges. I support shooting down a plane on its way into the (occupied) Capitol or the Sears Tower, or turning Afghanistan upside down to wreck AQ infrastructure. There's no need to support torture to keep a retaliatory arrow in your quiver, if that's your concern.
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