Balkinization: Padilla Indicted

Comments:

Pardon my rusty recollection re this particular nook of federal appellate jurisdiction, but couldn't Padilla and counsel continue the appeal as clearly "capable of repetition, yet evading review"? Seems to me a pretty transparent effort to deny Supreme Court review, just as you describe.

# posted by

Amicus Publicus : 3:15 PM

Is the case really moot? Has the government promised that it will not send him back to the brig if he is found innocent or they will not rearrest him after he serves a sentence?

Issues regarding the legality of his confinement are still relevant to any trial. It would be hard to claim he has been given a speedy trial after three years of delay. A remedy might be appropriate if the initial classification of enemy combatant was unconstitutional.

And the bar for mootness is lower than that for standing.

# posted by

mm : 3:44 PM

Might Padilla be able to vacate the 4th Circuit's decision? See U.S. Bancorp Mortgage Co. v. Bonner Mall Partnership, 513 U.S. 18, 25 (1994)(noting general rule of vacatur where appeal is mooted as result of "unilateral action of the party who prevailed below").

# posted by

Sanj : 4:53 PM

Padilla has been indicted for actions that he took prior to joining the armed forces associated with Al Qaeda. About the last action attributed to him in the inditement is his enlistment in Afghanistan. Padilla has been held in military custody because he became an enemy combatant after all of the actions and time frame covered in the indictment. So actually these are two entirely different cases. He is charged as a criminal under domestic criminal law, and has been held as a POW under internation military law.

If the Geneva Convention applies to Padilla (and the Hamdan case depends on the assumtion that it may)then Article 84 would prohibit the transfer or remand of Padilla to face trial in a civilian court, even for acts that occured before his enlistment. Furthermore, the convention does not allow protected persons to waive its protection, even under legal advice. If the 4th Circuit is awake, they might hold up before approving the motion before them to transfer jurisdiction and clarify the prisoner's status. Is he now a non-combatant, a protected enemy combatant, or an unlawful enemy combatant whose transfer is permitted because he is not protected by the Geneva Convention. If so, why? The answers to these questions determine if the appeal is moot and what might happen after the criminal trial.

# posted by

Howard Gilbert : 5:51 PM

Can Padilla have the indictment dismissed on Sixth Amendment "speedy trial" grounds?

Would (or could) such a request be appealed up to the Supremes?

# posted by

John Shaw : 9:15 PM

"Can Padilla have the indictment dismissed on Sixth Amendment "speedy trial" grounds?"

It's unlikely. The true "speedy trial" time period doesn't actually start until the defendant is indicted. It's possible to get a dismissal based on the pre-indictment length of time, but that involves a vague balancing test that defendants almost never win.

# posted by

Joe Shmo : 9:35 PM

That result is particularly worthy of note, for the Fourth Circuit opinion may yet come in handy if the Administration needs to hold another U.S. citizen within the geographical boundaries of that circuit. The Administration now knows that the Fourth Circuit is a Constitution-free zone.

It's worse than that. They can arrest and detain anyone outside of the 4th circuit and transfer them to a military penal facility in the 4th circuit.

Don't forget that Jose Padilla was originally held in New York. He was transferred to a brig in South Carolina to get away from New York judges--without giving his attorney a chance to object:

After a month of detention in New York City, Padilla was transferred from civilian to military custody pursuant to an order, from President Bush to Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, that identified Padilla as an “enemy combatant.” Padilla was transferred to a Navy Brig in Charleston South Carolina, where Commander Melanie Marr became his custodian. Two days later, on June 11, 2002, Newman filed a habeas petition in the district court of New York challenging the legality of Padilla’s detention. At the time, she did not know that Padilla had been transferred to military custody and was in South Carolina.

# posted by

Daryl Herbert : 1:51 AM

"At the time, she did not know that Padilla had been transferred to military custody." Curious because on the previous day Ashcroft held a press conference and said so. I go to library.yale.edu and check the online newspaper file for articles on Padillia on June 11, 2002. There are 656 and all mention that he was just transferred to military custody. Example headline: ASHCROFT SAYS; MAN ARRESTED MAY 8 AT O'HARE IS PLACED IN MILITARY CUSTODY
St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 11 June 2002, 1119 words, By Karen Branch-Brioso Post-Dispatch Washington Bureau.

# posted by

Howard Gilbert : 8:38 AM

Could the president issue an executive order declaring the attacks on 9/11 by those legally in this country constitute a Rebellion or Invasion and therefore Habeas Corpus has been suspended? No, just as congress declines to actually declare war, the administration would rather try to have its cake and eat it too.

# posted by

Jim A : 8:54 AM

Professor Balkin's analysis strikes me as the most pessimistic possible view of the case. It is true that Mr. Padilla has already been deprived of his freedom for three years. On the other hand he was not thrown in an oubliette and forgotten. His case received a lot of attention in the courts and in the public forum. Now he has what he asked for. The length of time it took is onerous. On the other hand, this is a novel and uncertain area of the law for the executive, the courts and the defense bar. The system worked slowly but it worked. In my view, the Congress and not the courts are to blame for the lack of clarity on the protection of American citizens on American soil -- to put it more strongly, I think it is a disgrace that we even need to mention the Geneva Convention in the context of American citizens arrested by American authorities. But the bottom line in Mr. Padilla's case is that it is not at all clear that he has been denied due process so far and he will have his chance in the trial court to demonstrate whether he has been treated unjustly.

# posted by

nk : 9:52 AM

One hundred percent right for those thinking along the lines of "Capable of repetition, yet evading review" - this case is the definition of that term if it ever had one. Remember, Roe was one of the (many) cases that enunciated that standard.

If the rule on vacating appellate opinions is the law - and I'm not sure one way or the other - the easy way for the S.Ct. to drop this hot potato is to issue a GVR - Grant Cert., Vacate Decision below (which makes the 4th circuit opinion like it never happened!), Remand to the District Court.

Remember, the District Court wrote a scorching opinion in favor of Padilla. Called the gov't's actions Un-American and such.

Once back in the District Court, Padilla can amend his complaint, too. You're not thinking of the obvious. He can now sue Bush and all the others for money damages, for false arrest, false imprisonment, all the other common law torts they committed against him by holding him incommunicado (and probably beating the stuffing out of him, mentally and physically) for three years. If he doesn't already have damages claims in his complaint. The beauty of that is in Clinton v. Jones coming back to bite the Republicans in the ass. Can you see a video dep of Bush, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Hanft, Padilla's interrogators, and all the rest? Sauce for the goose, on Thanksgiving.

A good argument can be made that because the indictment is on different grounds than the reasons previously given for detaining Padilla, those prior grounds did not exist. The prior grounds would obviously be germane to a civil suit and, therefore, are (a) susceptible of being the proper subject of discovery and (b) not subject to abstention while the criminal case progresses. Apples and oranges the reasons are, says the government.

Professor, there are times you should think like a lawyer hunting money (fling theories at the defendants, and one or more of them will slip somewhere), and not limit yourself to thinking like a law professor, looking for The One silver bullet argument.

# posted by

Scribe : 11:28 AM

An American citizen born in Norwich, CT steps from a boat onto the dock in New London. Is it possible that he is an enemy combatant? Could he be captured and held for years without charge? Could he be charged for a crime he committed before he became an enemy combatant?

If the date is Sept 6, 1781 then the person in question is Benedict Arnold. After fleeing West Point when his treason was discovered, he became a British Brigier General and on that day led an attack on New London that ended up burning the town to the ground. However, had he been captured then he certainly would have been an enemy combatant who could at least have been held as a POW without charge for as long as the war lasted.

However, the US had a pre-existing charge of Treason to lay against him. Despite the fact that he would have been a British officer captured in uniform, could they have, as they are doing with Padilla, ignored his circumstances at capture and proceeded with a trial on the Treason charge from the previous year? That appears to be what international law prohibits. A soldier "belongs" to his unit and army and must be held in military custody until he is exchanged, paroled, or repatriated. The British would have had a legitimate cause to object if we decided to try a captured British officer for something he did before he joined their army. The same issue now surrounds the decision to try Padilla for a crime he allegedly committed before becoming a soldier.

# posted by

Howard Gilbert : 11:37 AM

Everyone seems to have overlooked the possibility that Padilla simply did some talking in exchange for a deal. Common criminals do it every day, and Jose Padilla certainly knows how.

# posted by

RebeccaH : 1:56 PM

Scribe, there is no cause of action personally against federal employees acting under color of federal law. Sovereign immunity. A claim for damages is allowed against the United States herself in its place. As somebody who has walked into a courtroom more than a few times, I would love to be the attorney defending such a claim before twelve jurors. Mr. Padilla is in no way a sympathetic plaintiff and he has no Fifth Amendment rights in a civil action he has initiated. I could probably get the jury to award me his organs for transplantation in my counter-claim for the costs of his arrest, incarceration and prosecution. Professor Balkin is hunting exactly where the ducks are -- the protection of American citizens from the power of the executive in the war against terror. I simply think that he is taking too pessimistic a view of our legal system and our government. To paraphrase Hamlet, "What is Padilla to Bush [although only Padilla knows what Bush is to Padilla]". Why should our government waste its resources on the harmless? I believe that the executive in good faith identified a danger to the people of the United States but the legal framework did not exist for its efficient and expeditious abatement within the protections we have come to take for granted as Americans. As I said in my previous coment, I blame the Congress.

# posted by

nk : 4:09 PM

To say that "the system worked slowly, but it worked" is an evasion of the realities that we don't yet know whether the system works in the Padilla matter or not; and insofar as it has worked to this point, this is because Padilla has attracted the services of legal representatives whose normal fees would have burned out this new defendant's financial resources a couple of years back.

This week's announcement by Attorney General Gonzales is only one more of several indications that the administration is uncertain of its constantly shifting ground in this case, and possibly, others.

The newly revealed uneasiness about what the Supreme Court might rule -- consensus is that this is exactly what the Gonzales announcement means -- follows years of using the nation's financial resources to stall any prosecution of Padilla for as long as possible. This is not how confident prosecutors proceed.

The Padilla case continues to remind one of the conversation between Alice and Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass. HD: ‘When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.' A: ‘The question is whether you can make words mean so many different things.' HD: 'The question is which is to be master — that's all.'

This seems a close match to the current situation. Padilla's lengthy and unprecedented imprisonment suggests that the current administration has been the master to date. Appearance before the Supreme Court could settle public understandings about whether the master is, instead, the Constitution; and this is the understanding that the administration is at present trying to duck.
cannot
come before SuIt has use

# posted by

kunino : 5:26 PM

Scribe, there is no cause of action personally against federal employees acting under color of federal law. Sovereign immunity.

Hello? Bivens? "Allowed a plaintiff to seek monetary damages from individual federal officers for their alleged violation of the plaintiff's rights arising under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution," quoth Chemerinsky?

# posted by

Anderson : 5:48 PM

If Padilla can be imprisoned without charge for three years, none of us is safe. And I say this as a sometime Bush supporter. I am wondering where the outrage is (in the MSM)?

# posted by

stormville : 6:38 PM

Please see Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800 (1982) for a very good overview of the application of absolute vs. qualified immunity to federal officials following Bivens.

# posted by

nk : 7:39 PM

"If Padilla can be imprisoned without charge for three years, none of us is safe."

The "he's a US citizen arrested in the US" fact that dissenters harp upon is accurate but misleading, since SCOTUS in 1942 drew the line slightly differently. Under ex parte Quirin, the fact that he was arrested upon entering the country is key. If that precedent did not exist, they could have arrested him before boarding, or redirected the plane; some difference.

"A good argument can be made that because the indictment is on different grounds than the reasons previously given for detaining Padilla, those prior grounds did not exist."

If you take bad faith as your premise, the "argument" will look good. On the other hand, if you presume the government is acting in good faith you will believe that the initial charges needed to stay out of open court for practical reasons such as not burning sources.

# posted by

DWPittelli : 8:21 PM

Nk, et al.
Re Bivens, Harlow and all those immunities. Fine, I acknowledge their existence and their force. I know the success percentages on a Bivens claim. I know how unsympathetic Padilla is and will be to a jury. All well and good.

Now, please tell me what "color of law" these folks were acting under?

What "color of law" was Ashcroft acting under when he defamed Padilla? Compare his conduct to Fitzgerald's in his Libby indictment press conference; which one comports more with DoJ guidelines for prosecutorial behavior?

Was there some negligence here on the part of a government official? Can we move this into an FTCA area? Heaven knows we've seen the current administration have more than enough "oops!" moments in dealing with intelligence. The underlying points which will have to be made, and which I was trying to make are:
(1) take a shot at these jokers. You'll likely lose, but you will certainly lose if you don't take the shot.
(2) take some discovery. Make these jerks answer questions under oath.
(3) think creatively and be aggressive. One can push the envelope, lose, and still win. The point is, if no one tries to even game out an aggressive strategy, the possibility of redress dies aborning.

# posted by

Scribe : 8:42 PM

Nk, et als.
On further reflection, the Fifth Amendment waiver on filing the civil suit is The Difficult Issue. I had simply forgotten that one. This gives me even greater chagrin, since I used that argument to get rid of a civil rights suit against my client. In fairness to myself it was more than five years ago, but I should have remembered telling the plaintiffs' lawyer "You're going to drop this case. If not, I'll take your client's deposition and, since my client is the prosecutor, not only is he entitled to be there, he's going to be feeding me questions. By the time the dep is over, your client will be looking at the business end of a needle."

This does not, however, change my opinion on the aggressiveness counsel should exhibit....

# posted by

Scribe : 9:14 PM

Scribe, no argument on Padilla's defects as a plaintiff.

# posted by

Anderson : 10:28 AM

Suppose Padilla goes to Florida, is tried and convicted of his pre-Afghan activities, and then is sent back to the superceeding military POW jurisdiction in Charleston. This way we allow Padilla to participate in the trial of the conspirators, but avoid the problems in International Law that would occur if a POW were transferred to a civilian prison.

Is the case moot? Not in the sense that the legal issues presented to the court in the cert petition have been resolved. However, the government has conformed both to the Trial Court insistance that Padilla be criminally charged (though technically it is a different charge for a different crime) and to the reversing 4th Circut decision that he can be held as an enemy combatant.

The Supreme Court is being asked to review a decision overturning a summary judgement. If they don't hear the appeal now, it just returns the case to District Court for civil trial. The pending criminal trial in Florida may leave the civil legal issues unresolved, but it also undermines the argument that the civil case must be reviewed before trial. The Supreme Court may be more inclined to let both trials proceed and sort the mess out at the end.

# posted by

Howard Gilbert : 6:34 PM

It appears that the 4th Circuit is awake (see comment above). They didn't just roll over and permit the transfer of Padilla from military to civilian custody. As I suggested last week, they are ordering the Government to explain the legal basis for the transfer and Padilla's subsequent legal status. See scotusblog.com for details.

# posted by

Howard Gilbert : 4:29 PM

Jika anda merasa bingung dimana mencari referensi harga mesin terbaru dan terupdate maka anda dapat langsung mengunjungi situs kami, langsung saja Lihat Artikel yang mana telah ada informasi super lengkap mengenai harga mesin terkini baik itu mesin jahit dan juga mesin fotocopy.Anda seorang pengangguran? Jika iya maka anda perlu memulai usaha sendiri daa menjadi seorang wirausaha yang sukses, jika anda bingung memulainya silahkan baca artikel ini yang mana kami telah membagikan referensi peluang usaha baik sampingan, modal kecil ataupun tanpa modal.

# posted by

madema99 : 9:43 PM

Simply, admirable what you have done here. It is pleasing to look you express from the heart and your clarity on this significant content can be easily looked. Remarkable post and will look forward to your future update.
http://peluangusahasampingan99.blogspot.com
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link
Visit link

# posted by

Cyntia Clara : 7:49 AM

gunung sumbing

gunung merbabu

gunung merapi

gunung lawu

gunung cikuray

gunung argopuro

gunung salak

# posted by

Unknown : 11:23 AM

harga kulkas polytron 1 pintu

harga kulkas polytron 2 pintu

harga kulkas sharp 1 pintu

harga kulkas sharp 2 pintu

harga ps 4 terbaru

harga ipod nano terbaru

harga pc/komputer rakitan terbaru

harga rice cooker terbaru

harga mesin cuci sanken terbaru

harga mesin cuci lg terbaru

harga xbox 360 terbaru

harga pompa air sanyo terbaru

harga mobil rc drift terbaru

harga sepeda listrik terbaru

harga tv led dan lcd murah

# posted by

Unknown : 11:24 AM

Visit my blog Netty Blog, thanks.

# posted by

Unknown : 10:46 AM

bisnis rumahan

# posted by

Unknown : 10:25 AM

Informasi Hotel Murah Modern Living Room Design Peluang Bisnis Terbaru Usaha Menguntungkan

# posted by

Unknown : 7:56 PM

This comment has been removed by the author.

# posted by

admin : 12:55 AM

Hotel murah di bandung

# posted by

Fauzan : 3:26 AM

Very nice post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wanted to mention that I’vereally loved surfing around your blog posts. In any case I will be subscribing to yourfeed and I hope you write once more very soon! honda genset
we must control everything and saver our earth, but some times we can't control, i hope this articles can help:
perkins genset generator for home
yamaha silent generator yamaha generator
silent diesel generator silent generator for home
genset honda of course honda genset forwarder jakarta and forwarder indonesia toko buku online, jual komik online, cerebral palsy adalah, water heater wika, water heater ariston, kredit motor honda

# posted by

Unknown : 11:03 AM

This comment has been removed by the author.

# posted by

Bang Udin : 1:51 PM

resep kolak pisang - resep Rendang Ayam - resep Rendang Jengkol - resep Sayur Asem Sunda - resep Sayur Bening Bayam Jagung Manis - resep sop buah - resep Bakso sapi - resep daging sapi lada hitam - resep semur tahu - resep semur daging sapi -
resep es kelapa muda - resep sop konro - resep sup ayam - resep sayur nangka - resep sayur asem - resep es kacang merah - resep tumis pare - resep tumis tauge - resep udang goreng tepung - resep udang sambal balado -
resep kue brownies - resep rendang telur - resep rendang daging sapi - resep soto medan - resep soto daging sapi - resep bubur candil - resep bubur sumsum - resep sambal tauco - resep sambal balado - resep tumis tempe kecap -

# posted by

Bang Udin : 1:55 PM

im so sorry

resep tumis bayam - resep es campur - resep es krim - Resep Rempeyek kacang - Resep Rempeyek Bayam - resep Sayur bobor bayam - resep Sayur daun singkong - resep Kue kacang tanah - resep kue kering coklat chip - resep Kue Nastar Keju -
resep nasi tim - resep nasi bakar teri - resep nasi kebuli - resep nasi goreng jawa - resep sambal teri ulek - resep sambal pecel lele - resep sambal dabu dabu - resep sambal tomat - resep kue cubit - resep kue cucur -
resep kue bolu - resep kue telur gabus keju - resep sup jagung - resep sop buntut - resep sup ikan - resep sop Iga - resep Soto Ambengan - resep Soto Tangkar - resep Soto Ceker - resep Soto Lamongan -

# posted by

Bang Udin : 1:56 PM

resep bubur ikan - resep bakso ikan - resep ayam bakar kecap - resep ikan bakar pedas manis - resep kue pancong - resep kue pukis - resep kue lapis sagu - resep kue lapis singkong - resep sambal tumpang - resep sambal mangga muda -
Resep cumi asin cabe hijau - Resep sambal cabe hijau padang - Resep Sayur oyong - Resep Sayur Kacang Merah - Resep lontong sayur - Resep Sayur Lodeh - resep ayam penyet - resep ayam kremes - resep ayam goreng lengkuas - resep ayam goreng tepung crispy -
resep kue sus kering - resep kue kering coklat - resep Soto sulung - resep Soto Kudus - resep Soto bandung - resep Soto Betawi - resep tumis brokoli - resep tumis sawi putih - resep kue kering sagu - resep kue putri salju -

thanks . . .

# posted by

Bang Udin : 1:57 PM

the last comment

resep ayam kecap - resep opor ayam - resep sambal terong - resep sambal bakso - resep kue lapis tepung beras - resep kue lapis legit - resep soto madura - resep soto banjar - resep tumis buncis - resep tumis kangkung terasi -
resep nasi uduk - resep Nasi Kuning rice cooker - resep sambal lamongan - resep sambal petis - resep ikan Goreng rica rica - resep ikan Goreng Renyah - resep kue pastel - resep kue lidah kucing - resep sambal goreng krecek - resep sambal goreng tempe -
resep kolak biji salak - resep nasi goreng seafood - resep nasi goreng gila - Resep Sambal pecel - Resep Sambal bawang - resep es teler - resep ikan pesmol - resep ikan bakar bumbu kuning - resep ayam goreng mentega - resep ayam goreng kalasan -
Resep Masakan Indonesia -

# posted by

Bang Udin : 1:57 PM

hari ini kami mampir kemari walau agak susah membaca tulisannya harus menggunakan kamus
semoga kehadiran kami tidak mengganggu
resep ayam bakar
resep kue akar kelapa
resep kue bolu
resep sambal bawang
resep nasi goreng
resep nasi kuning

I'm not sure if this is a format issue or something to do with internet browser
compatibility but I thought I'd post to let you know.
The design and style look great though! Hope you get the issue solved soon. Many thanks

resep ayam goreng kalasan
resep sayur asem
resep ayam goreng
resep ikan bakar manado
resep tumis kangkung
resep ayam bakar kalasan
resep ayam goreng tepung asam manis
resep ikan bakar

Like being able to understand
sequencing, counting bars, knowing song structure and things of that nature.
A singer, songwriter, producer who is also into fashion and movies.

# posted by

Bang Udin : 12:20 PM