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Sunday, September 28, 2008
War Powers, Guns, and Spitzer's Complaint (with a note on original meaning)
Stephen Griffin
This semester I’m teaching “Foreign Affairs and the Constitution” (from the Bradley-Goldsmith casebook) after a long hiatus. I’ve been meaning to blog about some of the issues I’m covering, especially war powers. But in this post I’ll also look at a 2008 book by political scientist Robert Spitzer, Saving the Constitution from Lawyers: How Legal Training and Law Reviews Distort Constitutional Meaning. I couldn’t resist buying a book with that title and it is worth noting it comes with strong endorsements from prominent historians and political scientists who are apparently fed up with the law reviews.
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This is an extremely interesting post, and I fundamentally agree with what Steve writes. I forbear from commenting on Spitzer's Second Amendment arguments, since I'm one of the people he most vehemently attacks.
But I do want to issue a caveat against labeling advocates of the "inherent line-item veto" position as "crackpots." I'm on record, again and again, as bewailing the presidential policy-based veto, which I believe to be far more counter-majoritarian than judicial review. BUT I think that the Constitution-based veto is not only clearly supported by the constitutional text, but also a quite good idea from the perspective of first-order constitutional design. There's no problem if Congress were limited, as are many state legislatures, by "single-subject" rules; this would allow presidents fairly easily to veto legislation that contained presumptively unconstitutional sections. But, of course, much, if not most, modern legislation is "omnibus," and the president can't be expected to veto an entire bill, which may have extremely important implications for national defense, social welfare, etc., in order to get at a particular unconstitutional aspect. Thus the "functionalist" argument for an "inherent line-item-veto" authority, which would apply only to omnibus legislation and would require that the President accompany the veto with an explanation as to why the section vetoed is unconstitutional and not only unwise policy. Why is this a "crackpot" argument? There's no support for it in historical materials because it is almost certain that the Founders had no contemplation of "omnibus" legislation. Unless one is an originalist of a certain stripe, why should it be important, let alone dispositive, that the historical materials don't negate an argument that was never made because no one imagined its potential need?
Oh man. Interesting indeed, but where to even start?
I guess mine is one of the more unique perspectives: a layman who has literally spent seven full years opposing the Bush administration's detainee policies, including a good bit of arguing with law professors about the legal issues. A good bit of reading law review articles too, including everything of Yoo's I could get my hands on plus virtually all of the major briefs filed by DOJ in the habeas cases. And I'm not an academic, I'm a mostly self-educated polymath who started studying history, politics, and war when I was 10, philosophy at 12, became a tournament chess-player at 16, switched to bridge at 18, and went to work as a computer programmer at 21 (turned out that being a chess and bridge expert was the near equivalent of a masters in computer science) and spent nearly 30 years doing it for a living. So you ask: "There would be questions about how a group composed largely of non-lawyers could have relatively better insights into the Constitution." Hmmm... By looking more at forests and less at trees? By worrying less about rhetoric and more about logic? Here's a recent example that's a perfect illustration: HERE is an opposition brief the government filed in one of the detainee cases, stating one of their key arguments post-Boumediene at 2-8. HERE is an opinion by Judge Hogan that pretty much adopts that argument hook, line, and sinker behind the weak caveat that the detainees didn't argue that 28 USC 2241(e)(2) was unconstitutional (finessing / ignoring the fact that Boumediene stated flat-out that it was an unconstitutional suspension of habeas in a typical display of legal hocus pocus). I've been doing my best to debunk this sort of thing for nearly six years now, and I'd be very interested to hear what you, Sandy, and Marty think about this particular argument. (Marty posted a quick comment on SCOTUSblog as I recall). I believe it might shed some light on the topic here. And HERE is what I think about it.
It seems to me that the omnibus bill is the natural Congressional response to non-constitutional grounds for the Presidential veto. It shifts the balance of power a bit back in the direction of Congress.
I think it would be pretty hard to preclude Presidents from using the veto for policy reasons. I'd be worried that any such restriction would lead to make-weight Constitutional arguments which would, in the long run, debase the legal system. There are ways around this, I suppose. For example, a veto could go straight to the Supreme Court for review on Constitutional grounds. If rejected, the law would stand notwithstanding the veto. There are three problems with this. First, the sheer volume of work for the Court might overwhelm it. Second, the Convention specifically considered and rejected the involvement of the Court in the veto power. Third, the very first Court refused to give advisory opinions, a generally good policy which the Court has maintained until this day. I'd be inclined to approach the problem from two angles. First, I'd reduce the veto override to 60 votes because I think the modern Presidency has become too powerful. Second, I'd give the President a line-item veto on all spending bills, but the override there would be 55 votes.
Scientists of various kinds like to criticize legal scholarship because of lack of peer review, or peer review by mere law students. If peer review really worked then they might have an argument, but peer review is not all its cracked up to be. Such eminent peer reviewed journals as the NEJM and JAMA are routinely gamed by pharmaceutical companies, pseudo-academics and academics. There is a renowned shortage of competent peer-reviewers in many fields; and there is an equally renowned bias in peer review for the views of the peer reviewers. Bogus peer review is another problem. The sociology of the sciences suggests the obsession with objectivity, which is the source of the perceived value of peer review, is a result of interdisciplinary incommensurability. Different disciplines need a way to communicate with each other, and peer review serves to license the quality of the unfamiliar work. Arguably because the context is lawyers talking to lawyers, law reviews work quite well within the legal profession. That is, lawyers who read law reviews, and who do research in law reviews, are quite competent to distinguish the good from the bad. Now, the question is whether those same trust levels can be imputed outward from the law into qualitative political science and sociology, and legal philosophy. I think there is no reason to think law review articles need peer review for readers from those disciplines. Anyone who plows through hundreds of law review articles a year, as I assume most legal researchers from any discipline do, learns the good from the bad. They learn that excellent law professors publish in law reviews from third and fourth tier schools from time to time, and to not disregard an article just because it is not published in a journal from a top-ten school. And so. Peer review complaints are proxies for political bias and disagreement. Our articles rarely depend heavily on knowledge of arcane systems of objectivity (such as mathematics); rather we are supposed to be masters of reason, masters of argument. Anyone trained to reason should be able to judge a law review article on its face, and perhaps from review of the sources cited in a few footnotes if there are red flags. Footnotes … well, they are taken to a strange extreme in the law since there lies our claim to objectivity and reliability – our method of establishing it.
philiatros:
Peer review is not the principal check on scientific misconduct. It's in part a way for the papers to be focused, criticised (and not necessarily in a bad way) and improved (I've been on both ends). The real check on scientific misconduct is full description and replication (as well as other related studies that may lead to differing interpretations). Peer review can bring to the fore other studies that, taken in conjunction with the work in question, might lead to differing conclusions or alternative explanations. But papers can and do contradict others (and go against the grain of the "commonly accepted knowledge"); this is not sufficient reason for refusal to publish, but rather is the way science works. Cheers,
Stephen,
I hope that this is not too far off topic. I just started to read "Educating Lawyers Now and Then, An Essay Comparing the 2007 and 1914 Carnegie Foundation Reports on Legal Education" by James R. Maxeiner. After reading the introduction, I jumped to the reprint of the 1914 report by Josef Redlich that grabbed my interest because of a research project of mine on the study of law outside of law schools. But I think this may tie into your post as it relates to legal academic writings. So perhaps the manner of educating lawyers - including for practice and for teaching - should be addressed up front as perhaps part of the problem.
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