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Wednesday, June 25, 2008
FISA Fix Follow-Ups
Marty Lederman
A couple of lingering questions raised by David Kris's wonderfully elucidating series of posts:
Comments:
Marty, David et al.:
Many of Russ Feingold's points made on the Senate floor today (which I listed under David's last post) apply to reverse targeting and full-tilt data-mining and so are are well framed by your remark. If discussion moves to this post I hope someone who knows more than I do (which is not hard) can help me see them in context.
I'm sick and tired of everybody pretending that the structure of the 1978 FISA law was some mysterious, inexplicable mish-mash. Here's a hint. Go read the Church Committee's report on the NSA.
FISA was written specifically prevent the abuses uncovered by the committee. It prohibited watchlisting American citizens. It outlawed the NSA's practice of reading ALL telegrams going out of and coming into this country. Most of all it outlawed tapping the telephone company's circuits in the U.S. The reality in 1978 was that the NSA had no way to intercept foreign to foreign communications from inside the U.S. In 1978 few of the places the NSA wanted to tap had phone companies that would have cooperated with it the way AT&T did. In short, FISA place real limits on what the NSA could do. The current version of FISA eviscerates those limits entirely. All of the supposed limits in the current bill are worthless. This bill will allow the NSA to listen in on essentially all of your phone calls when they want to without any warrant whatsoever.
When it comes to FISA, George W. Bush's Administration advocates separating Church, frankly, and State.
Of course as a US citizen who lived overseas from 1983 to 2000, I take very little comfort from the fact that no provision was made to think about surveillance of Americans who actually lived overseas. It is one of those weird areas of US law where Congress frequently does not factor in the consequences of legislation on Americans who live and work abroad.
Best, Ben
When it comes to FISA, George W. Bush's Administration advocates separating Church, frankly, and State.
It's a pity, too, as the committee really put their harts into writing their report.
It's a pity, too, as the committee really put their harts into writing their report.
That reminds me of an old off color joke about Gary Hart and George Bush. Let's just say that one half of the punchline was about women giving their hearts to Bush, and....
Prof. Lederman:
2. In his latest post, David emphasizes a point that not many people appreciate -- namely, that under the 1978 FISA, the NSA was free under federal law to indiscriminately intercept, and then use, virtually all communications between U.S. persons in the U.S. and persons overseas, as long as the interception took place overseas (and the surveillance was not "directed" at someone in the States). With due respect to Mr. Kris, this can't be right. While 50 USC § 1801(f)(3) would allow interception of radio communications when at least one intended recipient was outside the U.S., I think the relevant statute for domestic interception is 50 USC 1801(f)(2): (2) the acquisition by an electronic, mechanical, or other surveillance device of the contents of any wire communication to or from a person in the United States, without the consent of any party thereto, if such acquisition occurs in the United States, but does not include the acquisition of those communications of computer trespassers that would be permissible under section 2511(2)(i) of title 18; I think the alleged "radio communications" loophole is a red herring; there's no rational reason to make communications privacy subject to the vagaries of routing, and no reason to not protect satellite communications (where part of the transmission is via radio, but other parts by wire), but to protect cable communications. As I've posted previously, I think that the "radio" provision was intended to cover unidirection actual radio broadcasts by the erstwhile targets, rather than communicationsx where the carrier is doing part of the transmission via microwave. The "radio" loophole is just a ruse or a back-door by which the gummint though they might be able to finagle at least some warrantless snoops of a fraction of the traffic, but why the legislators should have intended such a loophole is beyond me. Cheers,
As a, thankfully, non US person, I have always rather resented the fact that the USA has felt able to (and did) intercept my communications without any by your leave. Yet another case of "US exceptionalism" where what is good enough for "furriners" is not good enougfh for US citizens.
The NYT has an interesting article today on the state of the US-EU negotiations on data protection. Article I would be surprised if the US-EU negotiations go as smoothly as the articles seems to envisage - there will have to be a right to sue the government for improper use of data - or the deal is unlikely to be made. But the principle is important - we cannot in this day and age stop the accumulation of data on us which we would have preferred not be captured. But the effective answer is control of the use made of such data. This is larger than any single nation and we have to think global.
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