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Wednesday, June 25, 2008
A Guide to the New FISA Bill, Part III
Guest Blogger
David Kris
Comments:
I've commented myself on where I think e-mail and other type unidirectional (albeit "store-and-forward") communications ought to go in the surveillance taxonomy (some links at my comment in your Part I), a couple more comments here)
Here's my commentary on the "satellite exception". I'd be interested in hearing your take on that. Cheers,
David Kris: On the other hand, however, NSA could set its filters to record all calls mentioning the word “terrorism” – because that does not target anyone in particular – and could keep those calls even if some of them were made by me.
I find this weird. The more the NSA gobbles up (by being less specific about the target identification or specification), the less illegal it is?!?!? Kind of like Scalia saying that your prohibited from torturing convicted felons, but torturing innocent people off the street is just good policy; the Eighth Amendment doesn't run to that kind of general abuse.... The only excuses I can think of to justify such thinking are 1) that if the NSA Hoovers every conversation around, your own dalliances will not be particularly embarrassing (certainly not enough so as to stand out compared to others ... unless the gummint wants to make an example of you), and these peccadilloes may well be lost in the chaff, and 2) the Hoovering may be done by machine so that no person is snooping on your privates. Of course, that depends on the machine settings, doesn't it? And FISA is all about oversight and review for possible abuse after the abuses of COINTELPRO, the spying on MLK, Operation Shamrock, etc.... But all in all, shouldn't the fact that something is pervasive be more cause for alarm?!?!? Cheers,
i'm glad you posed that question arne .. i was thinkin' along the same exact line .. but felt unqualified "legally" to make the distincton ..
I find this weird. The more the NSA gobbles up (by being less specific about the target identification or specification), the less illegal it is?!?!?
Arne, I take you to be knowledgeable about wiretapping, even if you can't tell us everything you know. I am wondering if you agree with this analysis. It was my understanding that the whole objection to Bush's warrantless surveillance was that he was doing just that, vacuuming up our international calls. I thought the objection to the PAA was that it made all international calls fair game for warantless surveillance. Now our guest commentator is saying that FISA has allowed just that all along, which would seem to imply that the Administration was not breaking FISA at all. Can anyone comment on this?
NSA could set its filters to record all calls mentioning the word “terrorism” – because that does not target anyone in particular – and could keep those calls even if some of them were made by me.
Yes; that's probably what happens upstream of the Quantico circuit. (Of course, when I say that NSA “could” do something, I mean that it could do so legally, not operationally or technically.) My understanding is our best guess is essentially all traffic is snooped, about 10% of it is selected by filters on whatever basis, e.g. a mention of "terrorism", and that 10% is saved. I would say the system operationally and technically is coming along just fine.
perhaps your own dalliances will not be particularly embarrassing . . . or the Hoovering may be done by machine so that no person is snooping on your privates.
The history of Hoovering is that once this kind of data gets stored, it will get abused. No matter what the original intent, which I'll freely grant is good, that database is a fruitful source of abuse. It's just waiting for it, it's way too tempting, it never gets erased, it never becomes less tempting, and history shows it will get abused. The only known effective way to prevent rights abuse is not to store it in the first place. The fundamental problem with Hoovering is it sets up all the conditions for later abuse. "I have billions of private conversations but it's OK they're all locked up here and you can trust me" is a non-starter for privacy.
Today Senator Feingold noted these four changes from FISA. I hope David or one of the commenters will speak to them in practical terms:
1. (Paraphrasing the DNI on the PAA): "the government could legally collect all communications between the United States and overseas." I.e. the "significant purpose" test is toothless. 2. (Paraphrasing the DNI on the Senate bill, which the current one mirrors): "the government can wiretap a person overseas indefinitely without a warrant, no matter how interested it may really be in the American with whom that person overseas is communicating." The Senator says reverse targeting is subject to no judicial oversight, not, e.g., requiring (as the Senator proposed) a court order if a significant purpose is to reverse-target. How does this compare with FISA's regime? 3. Acquisitions may continue pending appeal from an adverse FISA Court decision. How would that sit under FISA minimization? [Question: Does acquired information have to be ditched if SCOTUS affirms on appeal? Even that is not apparent to me.] 4. The exigency exception is so broad ("no time to get a warrant") as to swallow the rule and calls for no after the fact judicial review of the exigent action (which is what the Senator proposed). 5. Minimization is one thing without the (ghost of) Hoover on at full throttle but is next to useless in the envisioned regime. I suspect Senator Feingold is overstating none of this, but I hope one or more of you enlighten me on these points.
Let me first say that I appreciate the analysis from the esteemed guest blogger. I'm unable, however, to find in this analysis a discussion of the differences between FISA and the new bill on who can authorize hoovering, and it seems to me that is a significant issue.
Did I miss it? Are there no differences?
Thanks for blogging on a difficult subject! It is really helpful to have someone read through the statute.
Can I make a small suggestion? I think this is the kind of thing that cries out for a chart, with slots for the targeted person and the other caller and the variables: location of caller, location of surveillance, nationality/immigrant status. Actually, two charts, one with the old and one with the new, and highlights in the areas where there is a change. Or I guess I could just do it myself, but I'm lazy ;-)
It looks as if one of the problems of both old and new FISA is the paradigm that Americans have constitutional rights and foreigners don't have any rights at all. Note the parallel with traditional Islam, which divides the world into the Dar-al-Islam (the house of peace, the Muslim-ruled world) and the Dar-al-Harb (the house of war, everywhere else). I've blogged a bit elsewhere on this.
It might be an idea to start from the opposite, universalist presumption that everyone, including random Iraqis and Afghans, has certain fundamental privacy rights which no government can invade except for cause. Then you define a rule-of-law régime - perhaps not very demanding - that ensures these rights are balanced against legitimate national security and law enforcement interests. Finally you decide what additional protections are required for American citizens to meet the standards of the US Constitution. Location would become, as Kris suggests, as legally irrelevant as it is in practice.
Just wondering if anyone noticed that H.R.6304 changes the definition of "weapons of mass destruction"? It now includes any explosive, incendiary, or poison device that can cause a mass casualty incident (Formerly it needed to be a nuclear, chemical or biological weapon).
For those of us who are responders for disaster incidents, an MCI (mass casualty incident) is any incident where the number of victims is greater than the number of responders. So this new definition includes IED's. I guess when they pass this, they will have finally found the WMD in Iraq.
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