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Tuesday, January 16, 2007
Top State Department Lawyer Blogs About Guantanamo
Brian Tamanaha
The Legal Advisor to the State Department, John Bellinger, is guest blogging this week at Opinio Juris (the premier international law blog). Bellinger is articulating detailed legal justifications for the Bush Administration’s policies in connection with Guantanamo, torture, and related issues. To see some of the real world consequences of these policies, read this Washinton Post article about the many people still languishing in limbo at Guantanamo five years on.
Comments:
Professor Tamanaha: “Legally required” is an extremely high standard...
My question, Professor, is how best to proceed after having thusly scuttled a premise which is so central to someone's argument. To say this standard is "extremely high" is extremely gracious. I would tend to say such a standard is suitable for Fow News consumers but is simply laughable in a legitimate legal venue. Nonetheless, the question remains, how best to engage known cheats of this nature? For I realize we ignore them at our peril.
From the WaPo article Prof. Tamahara linked to:
In the administration's effort to obtain raw intelligence, officials said, it was easier to ship hundreds of men with unclear allegiances to a naval base in Cuba in early 2002 and ask the hard questions later. But with a government focused on interrogations, a bureaucracy lacking tolerance for risk and a detention policy under legal attack, the United States has found it difficult to free many of the detainees, regardless of the information it has on the threat they pose. In part, the maladministration is hampered in "doing the right thing" because they are so unwilling to admit mistakes; to admit that they may, in certain cases, have done the wrong thing. The maladministration is remarkably thin-skinned and sesitive to substantive criticism. Acknowledgeing mistakes detracts from the public image of them and their competency and goodness, at a time when they know they're on perilous grounds, both morally and most important politically (their response to el Masri and Arar is just emblematic of that). The latter has driven maladministration policy from the start; they care about appearance, and they'll use any trick in the book to gussy things up on that count, including unabashed propaganda programs. The question is whether there will come a "breaking point", a point at which the population undergoes a phase change and sees them as the connivers and hacks they are, and acts en masse to throw them out. Will they see the danger (to them) in time, and start a more conciliatory and apologetic course? Perhaps (and there are those in the Republican party that fear this and are pressing hard to avoid such a political disaster). But the signs are not good; from the recent disavowal of the Baker-Hamilton ISG report, to the firing of the nay-sayers, to the "all in" approach they've charted. Cheers,
OK, someone enlighten a layperson here to a fine legal distinction I do not really follow. To me "a difference course is legally required" would mean the current course is legally prohibited, ie, illegal. I thought that was exactly what the Administration's opponents have been arguing (including here on this blog) from the very start.
Also, can someone refer me to a good source on military or international law in such cases?
OK, someone enlighten a layperson here to a fine legal distinction I do not really follow. To me "a difference course is legally required" would mean the current course is legally prohibited, ie, illegal. I thought that was exactly what the Administration's opponents have been arguing (including here on this blog) from the very start.
I think it depends on the specific issue. For example, torture is a case where the alternative is "legally required". FISA warrants also. In contrast, the exact type of hearing for detainees is more in the category of "legally consistent".
Mark Field:
To make sure I understand you, are you saying an alternative is "legally required" in the case of torture of warrantless surveillance means that these practices are illegal? And, alternately, in the case of the type of hearings for detainees, a variety of types are allowed. What the Administration is offering may, indeed, be legal, but other types of hearings may be more commonly used, or better supported by law and precedent. Am I understanding right?
I think the "legally required" as used by an administration that consistently legally mischaracterizes and obscures as "secret" behaviour that is - over and over - found to be different than what it was characterized - is basically an advanced search version of, "Have you been legally required to stop beating your wife yet"
In any event, when an agressor nation invading another country brings in people who were living in that country and took up arms against the agressor, I think it IS a requirement of the laws of war that they be treated as legal combatants and pows unless and until there is competent evidence to the contrary. Similarly, when a nation engages in the purchase of other individuals, not taken on the field of battle, or otherwise on the detention of persons who were rounded up in occupied territory but not taken on the battlefield, then there is a requirement for an actual Geneva compliant "real" status hearing. It is very easy to understand why there is a strong negative reaction to these fairly self evident matters - matters which do not require anything in the manner of "giving terrorists more rights." If anyone bought or taken was not actually an illegal combatant, it was unquestionable illegal and a war crime to ship them off to GITMO and to do any of the many things that have been catalogued. So the first admission that even one person was sent to GITMO incorrectly is a prima facie war crime. That's why there is so much, and such disingenous, argument about the "power" and legal authority to handle "al-Qaeda" in this manner. The bright shiney arugment to distract from the realities of legal authority to treat innocent civilians in this manner. Has anyone, anywhere in DOJ, JAG or at State, formulated their legal argument for buying a non-combatant and shipping them, shackled like a slave, to GITMO for years of abuse? Over and over there are admissions - varying only in number - that we bought and shipped people who were not terrorists, not Taliban and not even the broader "jihadist" unspecified category. Where is the legal justification for that?
To make sure I understand you, are you saying an alternative is "legally required" in the case of torture of warrantless surveillance means that these practices are illegal?
Yes. And, alternately, in the case of the type of hearings for detainees, a variety of types are allowed. Yes. What the Administration is offering may, indeed, be legal, but other types of hearings may be more commonly used, or better supported by law and precedent. Well, the Administration's idea of a hearing is, IMO, not adequate to meet the minimum, legally required, standard. The exact extent of the "extra" required for a minimally acceptable hearing could be the subject of reasonable debate. Am I understanding right? Basically, yes. The lawyers here and on other blogs tend to get caught up in a subject which they are familiar with and they don't make the distinctions all that clear to non-lawyer readers. We should do a better job of making it clear that legal arguments are rarely clear cut. Nevertheless, most such arguments take place within a range of generally accepted possibilities. What's unusual about this Administration is its willingness to make arguments far outside that range. They are, IMO, as far outside the norm as, say, the communists were in the other direction.
To Mark Field:
Thanks. I will say, FWIW, that I have found most of the discussions here to be free of legalese and understandable. (That is why I have dared to post here).
I will say, FWIW, that I have found most of the discussions here to be free of legalese and understandable. (That is why I have dared to post here).
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