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Sunday, January 14, 2007
Stimson's Attack on the Gitmo Lawyers
David Luban
No one ever accused Bush administration officials of lacking a heavy hand.
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Using political and economic pressure on private business to compel them to cut economic support for disfavored causes is hardly restricted to the political right. The left in the civil rights and labor communities have used this tactic for far longer.
Left leaning law firms have no right to the business of their clients in order to finance their extra circular legal activities. Law firms constantly modify their behaviors in order to maintain large clients and to woo others. If a law firm embarrasses its business client, then there are plenty of other lawyers for that client to choose from. If working to invent new law in the courts to release terrorist detainees so they can go back to their previous occupations is truly a noble cause, then I am sure that businesses will be pleased to be associated with law firms which pursue such endeavors. However, if risk adverse business clients for some reason frown upon such activities, some firms may have to choose between continuing to finance seven figure salaries for its partners or going into the much less lucrative field of public interest law. Life sometimes requires choices.
Professor Luban: ...the law-firm lawyers representing them are proud of the work they're doing.
As well they should be. And the answer to nonsense such as Stimson's, "...representing the very terrorists who hit their bottom line back in 2001..., is "firms cannot have a bottom line without rule of law." I'm only a student, and certainly haven't studied Coase's or Posner's work in-depth. But generally it seems to me that the ascendancy of their theories comes at the cost of accepting a truly amazing fallacy: that there can be a market without government, or vice-versa. Firms that took a direct financial hit on nine-one-one are still reliant on maintaining the society of liberty and justice in which their profits were originally earned. As for the lawyers doing the work, well, there's no such thing as bad press, just make sure you spell the name right, right? High profile pro-bono cases can attract business from the kinds of firms one would prefer to work with. One can hope.
Great post. But:
"towing the line"??? Think about it. It's not as though you attach the line to a tow truck and start to drive, or drag it along behind you. No: you line your feet up along the line, military-style, so that your TOES go right up to if and no further. Which is why we spell it 'toeing the line.'
David says it all when he suggests that these lawyers--the paragon of the profession--would respond to client pressure to drop their Gitmo work by...publicly disclosing the pressure with the explicit purpose of harming the client. Yes, now I understand all this talk about the high ideals of the profession.
It seems to me that Mr. Stimson's criticism is entirely appropriate. These law firms aren't "defending" anyone; they're acting as advocates in a political movement. They're entirely free to do that, but one wonders why they should remain free from criticism for their actions. BTW: it is a fact, on the record, that some of these firms are working with Saudi Arabian interests in litigation over 9/11.
I am correcting the spelling of 'toeing'. Right you are! (Given that the 'w' and 'e' are side by side, I don't remember whether my error was a typo or a cogno.)
I noticed that my firm is on that list. Oh noes! Oh, the potential cognitive dissonance -- but I knew that before I accepted.
I think I found one. It must be that venerable firm of Granola, Patchouli and Birkenstock.
It coitanly isn't Dewey, Cheatham & Howe.
Since the sagacious hilzoy has made a nice visit, I add with similar intent a criticism of one of BdP's slips, the one in which he accuses LeftLawfirms of implementing slush funds to finance "their extra circular legal activities"; sounds excessively circumlocutory, even for attorneys and lawfirms, left or right; humane or mercenary.
Reading recent accounts of the topic of the original discussion, I found parallels in labor law in the 1950s; it seems egregiously mistaken for government official Stimson to use his public employee bullypulpit to encourage secondary boycotts of political oponent affiliated lawfirms. Maybe Sen. Leahy could visit this topic as well, perhaps with his esteemed colleague Sen. Specter, and make a new, more explicit law to reinforce the firewall between public office and political organizing. The discussion of the allied topic, undermining funding for public interest law work, is well worth documenting expansively. I appreciate the links to case precedents provided, as well.
JT Davis said...
De Palma... Left leaning law firms Please name one. Let us start with the firms who are providing the support and staffing for the attorneys attempting to extend constitutional criminal defendant rights including habeas corpus to foreign enemy combatants for the first time in history. This is not a conservative or even moderate position. A law firm is not going to provide support, including allowing its attorneys to take considerable non billable time, unless they support the objective. In general, the legal profession is disproportionately left of the nation at large. The legal academy is dominated by democrats. http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/ journalismandlawschoolstudytwo.pdf My law school had one conservative professor who was the sponsor for every student conservative group. I dare say there is not a single conservative among the professors who post here. The ABA has a significant bias to the left. The conservative/libertarian Federalist Society has great fun detailing the various leftist positions taken by the ABA on various issues: http://www.fed-soc.org/Publications/ABAwatch/ abawatch.htm A recent study on the ABA judicial rating process showed a pretty pronounced favoritism toward Clinton nominees over Bush Nominees with similar professional backgrounds. http://law.bepress.com/nwwps/plltp/art37/ Law firms make contributions to Democrats at a rate 2-3 times higher than to the GOP. http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/i ndus.asp?Ind=K01 Its not like there is an enormous secret conspiracy afoot. Liberals just tend to work in academia, law, media and government the same way conservatives tend to work in business and the military.
Nice post, but the aside asserting some kind of parallel between the First Amendment holding of Velazquez and the provision of the Military Commissions Act dealing with the Geneva Conventions is ill-conceived and unconvincing. The statute at issue in Velazquez restricted the speech of the legal services lawyers by stripping their funding insofar as they made particular legal arguments, arguments the merits of which were totally unaffected by the statute. In sharp contrast, the MCA doesn't forbid any lawyer from making an argument on behalf of his or her client (nor does it penalize the making of a legal argument by conditioning it on the denial of funding). Instead, the Act simply makes clear that Geneva Conventions do not provide a source of individually enforceable rights in the courts of the United States. The Act leaves lawyers free to make whatever arguments they wish about the enforceability of the Conventions, but provides that those arguments no longer have legal merit (if they ever did, a point which had not definitively been resolved by the courts). Such a provision, which restates (or changes) the substantive law, is not a limitation on speech, and therefore doesn't even implicate, much less offend, the First Amendment.
"Bart" DePalma said:
Using political and economic pressure on private business to compel them to cut economic support for disfavored causes is hardly restricted to the political right. The left in the civil rights and labor communities have used this tactic for far longer. "Proof by assertion". Let's see some evidence. "Bart" is of the habit of ignoring requests for such ... particularly when the assertion he makes is false, which makes his behaviour understandable (although not honourable). Left leaning law firms have no right to the business of their clients in order to finance their extra circular legal activities.... Cay you say "straw man"? ... Law firms constantly modify their behaviors in order to maintain large clients and to woo others. If a law firm embarrasses its business client, then there are plenty of other lawyers for that client to choose from. True, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in Sri Lanka? If working to invent new law in the courts to release terrorist detainees so they can go back to their previous occupations is truly a noble cause, then I am sure that businesses will be pleased to be associated with law firms which pursue such endeavors. Another "reframing" of the issues by "Bart" (or petitio principi). Not to mention a bit of "poinsoning the well". Standard "Bart" 'rhetoric'.... However, if risk adverse business clients for some reason frown upon such activities, some firms may have to choose between continuing to finance seven figure salaries for its partners or going into the much less lucrative field of public interest law. Perhaps. It's a persistent problem, as Prof. Luban points out. There are some that are of the opinion that legal issues ought to be settled on the merits, rather than on the basis of who's got the most money for lawyers (the sad plight of Ms. McCaughey, who was pressured by Macky Dee™ into dropping the name "McCoffee's" for her coffee shop comes to mind; Macky Dee seems to think that they've got the friggin' patent on the Scottish surname prefix "Mc" ... but the unarguable facts is that they do have a huge staff of hot'n'heavy lawyers). Life sometimes requires choices. "Bart" seems to be of the opinion that it is how much money you're offered to kill someone that is the measure of the rightness of the decision. A rather pathetic "moral framework", IMNSHO.... "Bart" may accuse me of "misrepresenting" his actual position here, but I'm just reporting my take, my understanding, on the values he exhibits. He's free to explain in more detail his thoughts on the moral aspects of "money talks". Cheers,
"Bart" Dealma says:
Let us start with the firms who are providing the support and staffing for the attorneys attempting to extend constitutional criminal defendant rights including habeas corpus to foreign enemy combatants for the first time in history. This is not a conservative or even moderate position. A law firm is not going to provide support, including allowing its attorneys to take considerable non billable time, unless they support the objective. Of course! Law firms won't take on capital murder cases where the trial and/or sentence was tainted (even though the client may in fact be guilty) unless they're objectively pro-murder. Just as a FWIW, it's aleady been pointed out that the U.S. Supreme Court did consider the petition for writ of habeas corpus to the Ex Parte Quirin petitioners; they just rejected the granting of the writ on the merits. Had they been of the opinion that no such writ should issue simply because the petitioners were (undisputed) "enemy combatants" and per se had no rights to such a petition due to that status, the decision would have been a no-brainer and there would have been no such Ex Parte Quirin case. "Bart", never one to let facts get in the way of Truthiness™, ignores this.... Cheers,
"Bart" Dealma says:
Let us start with the firms who are providing the support and staffing for the attorneys attempting to extend constitutional criminal defendant rights including habeas corpus to foreign enemy combatants for the first time in history. This is not a conservative or even moderate position. A law firm is not going to provide support, including allowing its attorneys to take considerable non billable time, unless they support the objective. Of course! Law firms won't take on capital murder cases where the trial and/or sentence was tainted (even though the client may in fact be guilty) unless they're objectively pro-murder. Just as a FWIW, it's aleady been pointed out that the U.S. Supreme Court did consider the petition for writ of habeas corpus to the Ex Parte Quirin petitioners; they just rejected the granting of the writ on the merits. Had they been of the opinion that no such writ should issue simply because the petitioners were (undisputed) "enemy combatants" and per se had no rights to such a petition due to that status, the decision would have been a no-brainer and there would have been no such Ex Parte Quirin case. "Bart", never one to let facts get in the way of Truthiness™, ignores this.... Cheers,
Madisonian writes: “...the MCA doesn't forbid any lawyer from making an argument on behalf of his or her client (nor does it penalize the making of a legal argument by conditioning it on the denial of funding). Instead, the Act simply makes clear that Geneva Conventions do not provide a source of individually enforceable rights in the courts of the United States. The Act leaves lawyers free to make whatever arguments they wish about the enforceability of the Conventions, but provides that those arguments no longer have legal merit (if they ever did, a point which had not definitively been resolved by the courts).”
With respect, I don’t agree. Section 5(a) of the MCA states: “No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories.” This does NOT state that the GCs “do not provide a source of individually enforceable rights in the courts of the United States.” Nor does it state that GC arguments “no longer have legal merit.” The plain meaning of the text is that litigants are forbidden from invoking the GCs. Period. Whether the GCs do or do not provide a source of individually enforceable rights, and whether GC-based arguments have legal merit, are questions which Section 5(a) does not address. Contrary to Madisonian, there are good reasons for answering both questions yes: most fundamentally, that the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution states that treaties are “supreme law of the land,” and Geneva is a treaty. Furthermore, the MCA doesn't forbid raising Geneva claims in a criminal case, or raising them defensively; that's a good reason for thinking that the MCA wasn't changing the underlying substantive law. Of course, Congress could, via a later-in-time statute, repeal the GCs. Conspicuously, however, Congress didn’t do so in the MCA. On the contrary, in Section 6 of the MCA, Congress stated that the new legislation implements Geneva. So section 5(a) appears to be a speech restriction, as in Velazquez, not a change in substantive law. It tells lawyers and clients that they are not permitted to raise GC arguments as a source of rights in a habeas case, regardless of whether Geneva, as supreme law of the land, creates such rights. Section 5(a) should fall under Velazquez.
Prof. Luban:
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You want to adopt an extremely literal reading of section 5(a), which, in my view, overemphasizes the importance of the word "invoke" and underemphasizes the importance of the phrase "as a source of rights." The latter provides a strong clue that what the provision aims at is not a speech restriction, but a substantive statement about the judicial enforceability of the GCs in a certain category of cases. Indeed, consider this: under your reading of the text, what's the actual consequence for a lawyer (or litigant) who insists upon raising a GC claim in a civil case? Is he to be disbarred? Held in contempt? Deprived of government funding? Punished in any way? No. The only possible consequence is that the argument would fail as a matter of law. That's quite different from Velazquez. That case stands for the proposition that Congress can't forbid one subset of lawyers from making legal arguments on behalf of their clients that other lawyers would be allowed to make. There's simply no plausible way to read section 5(a) as doing anything like that, and I see little reason to attempt the implausible here. Finally, you seem to concede (rightly, I think) that under my reading of the provision, it would be a proper exercise of congressional power. So, insofar as there is any ambiguity about what the text means, why would we choose your approach, which you say raises serious First Amendment problems, when there is another, equally (if not more) plausible interpretation under which the provision is clearly constitutional?
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