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Sunday, November 05, 2006
Two Texts: An Election Eve Meditation
Scott Horton
"It may be that despotizing moralists, in practice blundering, often violate rules of political prudence by taking or proposing decisions too quickly; but experience will gradually set them aright and lead them on to a better course. However, the moralizing politician, by glossing over principles of politics which are opposed to right with the pretext that human nature is not capable of the good as reason prescribes it, only makes reform impossible and perpetuates the violation of law.
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Professor Horton: I fear for my country at this time. I fear for all of us and our world. Many of you may disagree with me. But I ask all to weigh this vote with care. This vote may be your last.
I'm usually on the other side of this conversation, trying to sound the alarm for what often seems the end of our valued and honorable way of life. But I try to moderate such thoughts. If we stipulate that the PNAC powers that be are morally capable of consolidating power into a totaltarian system then it is too late anyway, because stipulating the will (and depravity) to betray the values of the nation, combined with the record of 2000 and 2004 elections, combined with the known Diebold partisanship, combined with the known Diebold security flaws, combined with the complicit media and an electorate so feckless as to be persuaded by statements such as Cheney's constant refrain that to vote Democrat is to vote for terror, well, all of that combined would mean we are too far gone. We may be. There is an angle of analysis that says we have been too far gone for a long long time. But when we see the kinds of neo-con defection presented in the Vanity Fair article Professor Balkin linked to, when I think of the vast corporate interests which could not continue making profits as usual under a totalitarian regime, then I end up thinking that these are indeed dark and even evil times, but that we will weather them. Perhaps the peasants on the slopes of Vesuvius had similar hopes as mine. I fear you are right in your assessment, but I tell myself it's premature. Peace. ps: I can't recommend strongly enough looking into the killfile script for greasemonkey for firefox 2. I noticed on another thread that you are giving a couple of our best known trolls a very fair shot at interaction. At the risk of impertinence, it is the Liberal's greatest mistake, engaging ideological opponents who, rather than seeking legitimate dialectic in service of truth, are, in their own words, enaged in debate to persuade others to their world view. They're two very different criteria sets, with attendant differences in objectives and means, and to my eye the prime source of frustration and wasted effort by liberals is the time and energy wasted on the wrong people. With respect and gratitude, $.02.
While you Donkeys would like this to be a referendum, this election is really being turned back into a choice:
Which party has the better plan on the war with Islamic fascism, taxes and your local issues? The Donkeys who have the best chances of picking up seats are nearly all running as conservative light. The candidate which most nearly reflects the views of most here is Ned Lamont and he is getting his lunch handed to him in a Deep Blue State by a pro war Donkey. That is because heavy majorities of the voters support the various exercises of Presidential power which you decry from the NSA spying program to the MSA. Vote your conscience one way or another, but realize that you have a choice and that choice does not involve Mr. Bush, who ran his last race in 2004.
Bart,
I have to partially disagree. There are a fair number of House candidates that are running strongly against the war - and are winning. (I'm not going to take the time to link to info about each one - but I think a few minutes of digging should confirm what I am saying.) Also, from what I understand, Lieberman is only winning because all (most) of the Republicans are voting for him - I mean he did lose the pimary to Lamont. So, at best you can say is majority of the country does reject the Lamont, "net roots," Democrats, but a majority does also reject Bush.
Scott Horton: I fear for my country at this time. I fear for all of us and our world. Many of you may disagree with me. But I ask all to weigh this vote with care. This vote may be your last.
Robert Link :I'm usually on the other side of this conversation, trying to sound the alarm for what often seems the end of our valued and honorable way of life. But I try to moderate such thoughts. Robert, I read Scott Horton as expressing certain fears -for the country. for all, for the world, without elaborating what he fears fall on them- and warning that this might be the last US election. These concerns, so stated, are very reasonable, in my opinion. He doesn’t make any predictions, one way or the other. That’s reasonable too, because there is no way to predict the things he appears to be worried about. Or if there is we haven’t figured it out yet. (In contrast, specific election outcomes can be predicted, with increasing accuracy.) Your formula “If we stipulate that... etc., etc.” is interesting but it’s predictive utility hasn’t been verified, nor do we know how to verify it. Thus, with all respect, I cannot take comfort from your projection. It seems to me that what will happen will be influenced by what has happened already, which is always the case. Obviously, we cannot change the past. We can influence developments by our actions, that is, by politics, which includes election campaigns, but is not limited to them. For today and tomorrow, we want to deal GOP candidates as crushing a defeat as possible, by GOTV, as always, but also by assuring election integrity. The fact that this integrity battle is taking place at all diminishes the democratic legitimacy of our political system. After that, we’ll see. The outcome will be determined by our efforts, and of course those of our adversary. This is always so. What is new, and very bad, is that the character of our political system-whether the US is a constitutional democracy or some inferior form- is a contested issue in this election and for the foreseeable future. This is something I never anticipated. Stuff happens.
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What I need is the dandelion in the spring. The bright yellow that means rebirth instead of destruction. The promise that life can go on, no matter how bad our losses. That it can be good again.
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