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Wednesday, August 02, 2006
What's to Become of Common Article 3? [UPDATED]
Marty Lederman
In his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee this morning, Acting Assistant Attorney General Steven Bradbury has testified to what previous reports had suggested -- namely, that the Administration will propose a statute specifying that the standards of the McCain Amendment should suffice to define the limits of interrogation techniques for U.S. officials. (Attorney General Gonzales's testimony this afternoon before the Senate Armed Services Committee is to like effect.)
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Perhaps Bush thinks that chosing the McCain Amendment over Article 3 will give credence to his signing statement where he declares his powers as Commander in Chief grant him the right to interprete law any way he wants.
"The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of ... protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks." Bush could bypass new torture ban
Some excellent points Marty. Here's a few thoughts I had...
(1) What about the fact that the JAGs admitted to Sen. Graham in an earlier J-committee hearing that we'd already violated CA3? Obviously, the didn't think any clarification of CA3 was needed to arrive at that conclusion. (2) What about the President's 2002.02.07 "order" stating: "I hereby reaffirm the order previously issued by the secretary of defense to the United States Armed Forces requiring that the detainees be treated humanely and, to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity, in a manner consistent with the principles of Geneva." George Bush, Humane Treatment of Taliban and al Qaeda Detainees (memo), The White House (2002.02.07). That raises two serious issues: a) CA3 is the bare minimum, yet obviously this order presumes that there is some discrete non-vague set of Geneva principles such that military personnel can be ordered to observe them. b) What is the administration's non-vague definition of "military necessity"? The term happens to have a rather exact meaning, and in fact military necessity simply does not apply to defenseless prisoners. (3) It should be noted that the applicability of CA3 vs. full Geneva III POWs or Geneva IV Civilians protections is by no means settled: what the court ruled was that CA3 was the *minimum* that would apply, and that minimum was sufficient to make the military commissions illegal without addressing the larger question. In fact, that district court opinion in found that Hamdan was entitled to POW status absent an art. 5 hearing. The government has since argued that: a - The CSRT's constitute art. 5 hearings. b - The detainees are NOT entitled to POW status. c - The detainees are "enemy combatants" that may be detained indefinitely. But assuming a & b arguendo, c is patently false: * POW status under Geneva III is the only lawful authority for indefinite detention without trial. * Anyone who is properly subject to an art. 5 hearing under Geneva III is automatically protected by Geneva IV as a civilian in the event they are not protected as a POW. * Anyone who isn't a "lawful combatant" is just a common criminal, and everyone is entitled to due process of law. The real problem there is that they want to impose criminal sanctions without a fair trial on the basis of suspicions, coerced confessions, and guilt by association - that is what the administration and their apologists are arguing for, and anyone who claims that has anything to do with fighting wars or making us safe is either a liar or an idiot. (4) I couldn't help noticing a number of remarks made en passant to the effect "now that CA3 is the law..." WRONG: CA3 and 18 USC 2441 were the law *before* Hamdan. Am I to understand that criminal statutes are only law AFTER they have survived every last frivolous appeal in a civil case?? What this all makes plain is that the administration has been committing war crimes by policy since 2001. There was and is no need for the McCain amendment, the DTA, or any new laws here at all -- what is needed are indictments to enforce the laws that we already have. It isn't the Geneva Conventions that are at fault here, it is an administration of CRIMINALS... And it is long past time for the Congress to quit making lame excuses for them, or aiding and abetting their crimes. So it seems to me anyway. Regards, Charly
All that is available so far, excusively are the formal opening statements of committee members and principal witnesses in the hearing before the US Senate Judiciary Committee, not transcripts of proceedings, in this matter, this week. From excerpts of verbal interchanges cited above and in other media, it is clear that last Friday's draft with which we were privileged to work here, has been augmented, and, indeed, remains difficult for the committee to finalize because of conflicts even among members of the president's own party, as well as there being continued objections by the senior military judge experts testifying.
In a parallel forum, August 1 the government filed what is essentially a six-page brief in DCC regarding the Boumediene subset of cases, sounding increasingly like the unitary theory is to blue pencil Geneva conventions reaching back fifty years, and straining to declare that the US Supreme Court in the June 2006 Hamdan decision was cautious to avoid declaring detainees had standing or rights.
All that is available so far, excusively are the formal opening statements of committee members and principal witnesses in the hearing before the US Senate Judiciary Committee, not transcripts of proceedings, in this matter, this week. From excerpts of verbal interchanges cited above and in other media, it is clear that last Friday's draft with which we were privileged to work here, has been augmented, and, indeed, remains difficult for the committee to finalize because of conflicts even among members of the president's own party, as well as there being continued objections by the senior military judge experts testifying.
In a parallel forum, August 1 the government filed what is essentially a six-page brief in DCC regarding the Boumediene subset of cases, sounding increasingly like the unitary theory is to blue pencil Geneva conventions reaching back fifty years, and straining to declare that the US Supreme Court in the June 2006 Hamdan decision was cautious to avoid declaring detainees had standing or rights.
Bradbury and the rest's arguments are not so much about uniformed military and CIA interrogators. UCMJ as it stands places a uniformed military in a position where they can be court-martialed for actions that fall below Common Article 3.
The uniformed military affect is that a reduction in the War Crimes Act standard would mean that post-discharge military persons prosecuted under the War Crimes Act would face a lower standard then if they were still in uniform and subject to courtmartial. This standard would protect high-level generals who would have ordered, acquiesced in such tactics and retired where the military was unwilling to call them back to active duty so that they would be subject to court-martial (though I guess if they are on a pension they still run that risk). The CIA and the civilian authority in the DOD and other places are the real ones being protected by the Bradbury lower threshold standard. I wish that someone would point out clearly in the hearings with the civilian authorities the criminal liability over the 2002-2006 period of the high level civilians and military generals and that the effort to reduce the standard is just an effort to CYA for what was done in accordance with previous orders. Also, I wonder when someone would raise the issue of revisiting some of the court-martials which occurred prior to HAmdan in light of the Hamdan decision to see to what extent the "higher orders" defenses should be reviewed. Best, Ben
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