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Thursday, March 06, 2025
Constitutional Symmetry: Symposium Response Part II
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For the Balkinization symposium on Zachary Price, Constitutional Symmetry: Judging in a Divided Republic (Cambridge University Press, 2024). Zachary S. Price This is my second post responding to participants in the
symposium on my new book Constitutional
Symmetry: Judging in a Divided Republic. I’ll respond here to the remaining four
reviewers and then offer some closing thoughts. Michael Greve Mike Greve,
writing with his trademark verve and wit, raises questions about my focus on
“partisan and ideological” symmetry. He
suggests that partisan symmetry should generally support what he calls
“decision rules,” meaning formal rules like the President’s power to fire
executive officers or a congressional committee’s authority to enforce a
subpoena in court. Such rules admit
ready application without regard to the partisan affiliation of the political
actor in question. Greve worries that
extending the theory to “[i]ssue-oriented symmetries” requires “distribution
rules” that are less satisfactory. Greve’s distinction is helpful and I agree that a preference
for symmetry works best when it cashes out in readily administrable “decision
rules” of the sort Greve identifies. The
trouble is that even such rules will not really be symmetric in the sense of
mitigating partisan conflicts if they themselves have one-sided distributive
consequences. The removal example that Greve highlights is a case in
point. I suggest in the book that the
ideological divide over the President’s power to fire senior policy-making
officers has outlived its political underpinnings. Although at-will removal authority might once
have favored the deregulatory agenda of Republican presidents, today tenure
protections for top-level offices seem at least as likely to obstruct
pro-regulatory presidents as deregulatory ones.
Had Seila
Law LLC v. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau gone the other way, for
example, President Biden could have ended up saddled with a Trump appointee
regulating consumer financial products during his administration. By contrast, extending a constitutional removal power deep
into the civil service, as the Trump administration may now be attempting to
do, would be quite asymmetric. Although
both sides could do it, only one would want to in most contexts. That is so because, as I put it in the book,
this understanding of removal power “would enable deregulatory administrations
to hollow out the administrative capacity required for expertise-based
governance by those who favor it” (151).
I happen to think that claiming such constitutional authority would also
be wrong on the merits (for reasons I have addressed in other work),
but the resulting asymmetry should give pause to those who find the question
closer. Greve also raises questions about my efforts to apply
symmetry to equal protection doctrine and administrative law. In such areas, Greve suggests, the symmetric
understandings I identify would amount in practice to something like “interest
group compromises that seem tolerable at the time.” That may be right, but it seems to me that
such compromises may be valuable insofar as they are legally credible and take
political pressure off constitutional law.
At least with respect to administrative law, it also seems to me that
the Constitution itself is less clear than Greve suggests. He writes that the Constitution carries a
“robust presumption in favor of private orderings” and that it is thus “deeply,
deliberately, incontrovertibly asymmetric” on questions of administration. I am not so sure, but that would simply mean
in practice that my primary interpretive commitments would allow for greater
symmetry in this area than would Greve’s. On a more positive note, Greve urges greater attention to
symmetry in federalism doctrine, though he emphasizes “the importance of not
just choosing a symmetric rule, but the right symmetric
rules.” I quite agree and commend
Greve’s own work to all readers, especially his article on Bloc
Party Federalism, which helped me better understand the political
stakes of contemporary federalism. In
the book, I defend the anti-commandeering doctrine as a paradigmatic example of
symmetry and I fault the Supreme Court’s recent decision in National Pork
Producers Council v. Ross for “fail[ing] to provide any clear guidance at
all [on inter-state federalism questions], let alone symmetric rules providing
comparable protections and opportunities to states in different ideological
camps” (176). I do not otherwise take
firm positions on what federalism principles would be either legally sound or
symmetric, but I hope very much that judges and scholars will attend to both
considerations in addressing emerging issues. Sanford Levinson Sandy
Levinson focuses on questions of audience.
He doubts how important the Supreme Court is, whether scholars have any
influence on courts, and whether my proposal in particular stands any chance of
influencing judges and justices. On the first point, I quite agree: the Supreme Court is only one part of our
constitutional system, and political choices are much more important to the
country’s future. I also think practices
developed outside of courts, including some I have written about,
are often key determinants of constitutional meaning, both in court and outside
of it. This book, though, is about adjudication and I do not think
I am “almost grotesquely overemphasiz[ing] the importance of the Supreme Court”
by pointing out that courts play an important systemic role in settling
constitutional disputes for the polity and that we should worry about how the
system will function if they lose that capacity. Many people who are no fans of the current
Supreme Court are in fact intensely worried about that question right now. I also did not intend to suggest that
embracing symmetry will fix the country’s political culture or solve
polarization or address any number of other pressing and frankly more important
problems. I do think, however, that
courts play a central role not only in resolving concrete cases but also in
modeling constitutional reasoning and helping sustain constitutional
commitments. The book urges judges to
orient their performance of those functions toward mitigating rather than
exacerbating political conflicts over constitutional law. Finally, the book is about constitutional
interpretation, meaning that it is about how to interpret the constitution we
have in a system that accepts the validity of judicial review. Levinson has devoted much of his
extraordinary scholarship to calls for constitutional reform, and he may be
right that certain changes would be beneficial, but this book is not engaged in
that debate. Regarding Levinson’s point about academic influence in
general, I agree that judges are unlikely to spend much time reading legal
scholarship (how would they have the time?), and I certainly do not expect many
active judges, let alone justices, to read this book. Nevertheless, I think it is quite inaccurate
to suggest that scholarly debates have no influence on the judiciary. Judges and justices write lengthy opinions
because they hope those opinions will persuade other judges, lawyers, and law
students whose judgment they respect. Given
the political and jurisprudential mismatch between the majority of the academy
and the majority of the Supreme Court (if not the judiciary as a whole), most
justices may not view most academics as their most important audience; as
Levinson notes, the Harvard Law Review Foreword is probably not as directly
influential as it once was. Even so, all
the justices are attentive to some scholarship; indeed, they cite it with some
regularity (and one of them was even the dean of the Harvard Law School). Scholarly debates, furthermore, may influence courts in
indirect ways as ideas developed in the academy bubble up to courts through
their influence on litigants’ arguments, clerks’ thinking, and opinion-leaders’
critiques. Nor are these debates
entirely siloed: just consider the
ideological diversity of this symposium’s participants. For all these reasons, I do not think that
academic constitutional scholarship is irrelevant to the judicial practice of
constitutional interpretation. Of course, to turn to Levinson’s last point, it could be
that while some scholarship is relevant, my book is not. Perhaps no one will read it (though I am
grateful that at least these seven reviewers did). Alternatively, to the extent it does garner attention,
it might fail to persuade judges and decisionmakers and thus carry no
real-world influence. Though I am biased, I do not find it as implausible as
Levinson seems to that judges or even justices would find favoring symmetry
attractive. My proposal, it is true,
“cuts against the grain of the very partisanship that it aims to redress”
(3). The book, though, contends that
favoring symmetry is already an inchoate feature of judicial practice,
reflected not only in lawyers’ arguments and judges’ questions but also in
recent opinions. It also suggests that
judicial role-morality may exert a strong pull even on judges who were
previously quite partisan lawyers. As I
put it in the introduction, “judges do not wish to be seen as result-driven
partisans. Their institutional position
instead demands impartial fidelity to the law, and embracing symmetric
understandings is one way in which they demonstrate such commitment” (3). The book aims to encourage this impulse and
enable judges to follow it in a more principled and consistent fashion. But even if no judge embraces the book’s ideas, courts are
hardly the only valuable audience. The
book aims to provide a vocabulary of critique that is rooted neither in any one
ideal interpretive theory nor in any one set of politically desired
results. To the extent commentators find
this vocabulary useful, the book could help orient the discourse surrounding
courts in productive directions, even if it does not influence courts
themselves—and even if it fails on that front, it can join the ranks of
imagined “constitutions in exile” that persist in academic amber, waiting to be
extracted and returned to the throne if someone someday so desires. Stephanie Barclay Stephanie
Barclay offers the opposite worry from Levinson: she suggests that while courts may embrace
symmetry, media coverage will not give them credit. She highlights in particular the “praying
coach” case, Kennedy v. Bremerton, arguing that “the Supreme Court’s
measured approach [in that case] was ultimately overshadowed by mischaracterizations
of the case in both the dissenting opinion and subsequent media coverage.” This strikes me as a genuine problem: a great deal of commentary is indeed oriented
towards shaping public perceptions of the Court to serve partisan
interests. The book implicitly assumes
that the truth about court decisions—whether they are in reality symmetric or
not—is what matters to their public legitimacy, but it could be that biased
commentary matters more. As Jonathan
Swift wrote, “[f]alsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it.” Nevertheless, it seems to me that courts have tools of their
own to counteract these problems—tools that the book highlights and
encourages. For one thing, courts can
highlight symmetric implications of their holdings in hypothetical cases with
opposite political valence. For another,
they may sometimes choose one rationale over another, or even one legal theory
over another (at least if the parties raised them). Kennedy was a missed opportunity on both those
fronts. To take the latter point first,
the Court in Kennedy melded free exercise and free expression rationales
in holding that a public school could not discipline a coach for private
prayers after games. I argue in the book
that, given the unfortunate contemporary divisions over religion, courts should
favor expressive freedom rationales over religion-specific ones even in
religious-liberty cases. Kennedy
is a case in point: framing the decision
as a free expression case might have reduced its political charge precisely
because this theory may benefit secular as well as religious Americans. The Court could also have gone further in highlighting its
holding’s implications. Barclay notes
that the majority opinion did note its interfaith benefits by emphasizing that
ruling for the school district would have enabled a school to “fire a Muslim
teacher for wearing a headscarf in the classroom or prohibit a Christian aide
from praying quietly over her lunch in the cafeteria.” At oral argument, however, justices pressed
the school’s lawyer with examples involving secular causes, such as waving a Ukrainian
flag on the field or kneeling during the national anthem to protest police
violence. Although the Court’s opinion
said nothing about those hypotheticals, its holding probably would protect such
expressive actions in some circumstances.
So why not make that consequence explicit? These are not perfect solutions to the problem Barclay
identifies; the media environment poses challenges that go well beyond public perceptions
of court decisions. Kennedy is
also an unusual case insofar as the majority and dissent offered starkly
different accounts of the relevant facts.
Even in that case, however, favoring symmetry in ways the book
recommends could at least have made it harder to characterize the decision as a
one-sided blow for traditional religion against secularism. Osagie K. Obasogie Last but not least, Osagie
Obasogie accepts the value of “shift[ing] the focus of judicial review away
from taking sides and towards finding common ground,” but worries that pursuing
symmetry is at odds with the very notion of fundamental rights and that it
could shortchange vulnerable populations more generally. These concerns are fair. On the specific issue of fundamental rights, I
characterize the Glucksberg method of rights identification as symmetric,
but some might fault this approach for giving too much weight to democratic
choices and not enough to counter-majoritarian protections. There may also be groups whom the political
process uniformly disfavors, making a preference for symmetry inappropriate; I
set aside criminal procedure questions in the book for that reason (see 113-14
& n.1). That said, however, my framing of symmetry as a second-order
preference should help mitigate Obasogie’s concern. Because I advocate symmetry only as an ethic rather
than a hard and fast rule, interpreters never need to compromise their clearest
primary commitments to favor symmetry.
They can always avoid positions that are, as Obasogie puts it, “just
wrong and incompatible with our legal commitments.” On the whole, furthermore, I do not think that symmetry and
minoritarian protection are necessarily at odds. Quite the opposite, they may often be mutual
reinforcing. While current political
polarization generates troubling repressive tendencies, constitutional
polarization may tempt courts to counteract those tendencies only
selectively. By contrast, a preference
for symmetry encourages what the book calls “mutual rather than selective
disarmament” (45)—and minoritarian protections with this character might in
fact prove more robust and durable precisely because both sides have a stake in
maintaining them. Free expression again offers a case in point: broad protection for free expression has
remained a striking point of consensus on the Supreme Court, despite intense
divisions in other areas, and the doctrine’s symmetry is likely one reason why. Moreover, while it is true that such broad
protection sometimes protects hurtful or offensive expression, it also blocks
government limits on advocacy in defense of unpopular groups. The book contends that such dynamics could
take hold in other areas too. With
respect to fundamental rights, as noted earlier, I suggest that the Glucksberg
method (or some version of it) could sustain a varied panoply of rights, but if
one finds Glucksberg too confining, there might be other, more
protective approaches that would maintain a degree of symmetry too. * * * I have gone on far too long for a blog post (or even two!), but
I wanted to repay the reviewers’ thoughtful engagement in kind. Let me conclude with a brief word about the contemporary
moment. To a degree that is unusual even
in our era of increasing presidential unilateralism, the new Trump
administration is taking steps as I write to challenge existing constitutional
doctrines in multiple areas. Though the
rapidity and extent of this effort may be new, courts hearing the resulting cases
will essentially confront the same dilemma that motivates the book: they will need to credibly resolve disputes
for a polity that is sharply divided not only over policy but also over legal
interpretation. It seems to me that courts confronting this challenge will
need to avoid an undue tilt toward any one partisan agenda while also
preserving the legal credibility of their rulings. My argument for symmetry aims to provide them
with principled methods for accomplishing those goals. Whether the proposal itself is sound or
compelling is ultimately for others to decide, and I am grateful to the reviewers
here for sharing their reactions. Zachary Price is a professor at the University of
California College of the Law, San Francisco.
You can reach him at pricez@uclawsf.edu.
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