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Thursday, May 22, 2008
Gerken-Yoshino on the Liberty/Equality Debate: Round 2
Heather K. Gerken
Yesterday Kenji Yoshino and I debated whether, as a purely predictive matter, liberty or equality offers the more promising framework for litigating gay-rights claims (our posts are here and here, with short essays on the topic here and here). Today I want to address whether there is a normative reason to prefer one strategy over the other in thinking about these questions, another point of disagreement between us. I must confess that here I am more ambivalent about which paradigm is more attractive, in large part because (as both Kenji and I, following Tribe, agree) the two paradigms are necessarily intertwined. Nonetheless, given the current legal landscape, I mildly favor equality over liberty because it comes closer to capturing what we are actually fighting about.
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reading kenji's post elsewhere i have two questions.
1.concerning "And a group must have an enormous amount of political power before it can be recognized as politically powerless by the court." .. is that a typo ?? i fail to understand how one follows the other .. and 2. what is meant by "dialogic constitutionalism " ?? thanks in advance ...
Heather and Kenji, how would you relate the Liberty/Equality debate to the issue of being allowed to attempt to conceive together to have biologically-related children? Do you feel that there should be an equal right to conceive with a person of either gender, or do you feel that because same-sex conception requires using genetically modified genes, that it crosses over into a liberty argument for people to have the liberty to use genetically modified genes?
I am not a scholar of Supreme Court cases, but I am familiar with Lawrence. I read your essays and thought to comment from the perspective of international rights theory, something I have been reading. It makes for an interesting normative counterpoint.
Gerkin posits the two-part opening question of an equality analysis: equal with regard to what? equal with regard to whom? Yoshino points out how the Court has historically moved away from equal protection cases [towards the liberty part of the 14th A.] because of the increased pluralism in American society, making group comparisons treacherous. The normative answer to the first equality question is: rights (human, civil, natural – take your pick); i.e., liberty or autonomy. Interestingly, because the answer to this arm of the question begs the question of the answer to the second arm, it only appears liberty questions do not have to address the issue of group. Gerkin says liberty rights are “universal,” but that is not formally correct. Yoshino also fails to note the issue with regard to “for whom?” The correct answer is, with some sometimes minor exceptions that are the subject of many posts on this blog, citizens of the United States. If this is taken into account, some of the apparent differences between the liberty and equality analyses are elided. The “whom” is the group over which SCOTUS has jurisdiction. That is always the starting point, and what Yoshino points out is that SCOTUS has moved (or is moving) the boundaries of the group to the citizenship level of generality, collapsing the second arm of the equality analysis into the first. That is proper in a constitutional order with one kind of citizenship, and consistent with US theory of rights. [9th and 10th Amendments, etc.]. Therefore, from the practical perspective of litigation, whether to lead with liberty or equality would seem to be a rhetorical question only, as the discussion will soon enough be on the right. All citizens in theory have the same rights because there is only one class of citizenship (immigration aside). Equality with regard to rights is the normative social condition, and the logic of Lawrence could be used in all such cases. In essence, plaintiff is a human being and a citizen, equal to, and entitled to, or the bearer of, the same rights as all other citizen human beings. How can rights that have not been specifically identified in liberty or equality litigation be identified? Dignity is a good start as it is well-enough represented in Supreme Court jurisprudence. Originally it was a status designation for dignitaries, and maybe then it could have better been described as dignitary rights/status, although now convention seems to have settled on “dignity” as the source of rights (and sometimes as a right). International human rights theory generally says every human being has (or is entitled to) dignity, and therefore has some set of rights. This is an essentialist position grounded in natural law, and it gives little guidance as to what the unenumerated rights might be. There are three accessible sources of information and theory about proto-rights and rights. John Finnis, the natural law theorist, defines certain goods (proto-rights) as ends consistent with human flourishing for all humans. Similarly, although somewhat agnostic with regard to the issue of natural law, Nussbaum (with reference to Sen) describes a set of capabilities that are prerequisite for human flourishing. These are neo-Aristotelian theories of natural law and justice, respectively, that can provide theoretical support for a wide range of particular rights in any political system. They are quite specific, incommensurate, and provide the architectural structure of a theory and description of dignity. More specifically, and perhaps more relevantly, given the reference by the Lawrence court to international human rights standards, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the subsequent human rights treaties specifically identify a wide range of rights, that, although not directly available as causes of action for US citizens, are available as content of the right to liberty (self-determination, autonomy). It appears the substantive due process right of liberty is the equivalent of the idea of dignity in the sense it is refers to the general idea the citizen human being is a rights holder. The interesting element of international rights discourse that strikes me as being of potential relevance, is the idea of collective (group) rights/duties. “Man is a political animal.” All the rights theories recognize collective rights as necessary for human flourishing, although the idea is under-theorized. Does the LGBT community have a claim to any collective rights or duties that other citizens or collectives do not? Clearly indigenous Americans do. It seems somewhat easier to make the case for collective rights when the issue is political, such as when the citizens as a collective asks something of the government, or the group has a claim to a different kind of citizenship. So, although dignity requires the right to belong to groups to flourish, and the right to be an active member of a political organization (the state, the federation), it does not easily extend to the idea civil collectives should have rights separate or different from citizenship rights (perhaps with such exceptions as the right to revolt), or, correlatively, that membership in a civil group should entail the loss of citizenship rights.
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