Thursday, August 22, 2013
More on executive clemency
The New York Times has an excellent editorial today complaining about President Obama's extraordinarily sparing use of his constitutional power to grant pardons or, just as importantly, commutations of overly-long sentences. As he prepares to address the country on the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King's (and John Lewis's....) speeches at the March on Washington, Obama could do much worse than offer some reflections on the costs to a society of adopting often vindictive retribution over a belief in the possibilities of redemption with regard to those convicted of crime.
Why precisely should Obama pardon Lindh, who was an American al Qaeda and very arguably a traitor?
Democrats and liberals took many shots in the past for being 'soft on crime,' and in recent history they often feel the need to overcompensate in trying to show this is not true, so a liberal Democratic President who hesitates to use the pardon power is not surprising to me. Add to the mix that crime is often viewed through racial lens in the US and again it is unsurprising that the nation's first and only black Executive has not been active in this area.
Do not get me wrong, this does not justify Obama not doing what is right or his duty, and he certainly deserves no profile in courage in this area.
Obviously, the President cannot commute the sentence given to John Walker Lindh; Bart De Palma has declared him a traitor. Disregard any concerns you might have about the legal process he was accorded after capture and the gag order to which he is currently subject, Bart De Palma says the dirty Mooslem had it coming.
The idea that the guilty should be granted pardon for their crimes as compensation for wrongs done to them - a sort of reverse eye for an eye - is downright medieval.
The idea does not even work as a matter of equity. Lindh committed his crimes against the people, not the government. If members of the government committed crimes against Lindh, then you punish them both.
Debs now would probably be protected by the 1A. John Walker Lindh might very well have been pressured into a guilty plea. But, it's a bit harder to determine he was totally innocent. Still, I wouldn't be against pardoning the guy. Would probably wait until after the '16 elections though.
The Stewart override or more pardons or commutations for drug offenses would be a better use of his time. Me personally, I wouldn't be against him commuting Manning's sentence on the way out of office either.
The exclusionary rule was targeted to bar admission of specific evidence which was gathered illegally and does not pardon anyone from the crimes they committed.
Lindh joined the AQ al Ansar group while AQ was openly at war with the United States. (BTW, this is the same group which was operating in Iraq with Saddam's knowledge and later morphed into al Qeada in Iraq). This is the worst form of treason. If the government could meet the two witness rule and had the sand to bring a treason charge, Lindh could and should have been sentenced to death.
As it was, the government went wobbly because of fears a judge could exclude not only the evidence gained through coercion (which would be properly excluded in a criminal trial), but also all the other evidence they gained from that intelligence. So they offered Lindh a sweetheart deal which he accepted.
This traitor will be out of prison in a few years. Lindh damn well should not have that short sentence commuted to add insult to injustice.
One of my sons informed me of the Rasputin curse earlier today. In case Raspy's curse is accurate, nice knowing all of you and pardons to all. But if not, ....
I am not sure that it is "needless to say" that Young was committing a crime when he came into possession of a few shotgun shells (without the shotgun) while helping out a neighbor. Actually it is needful to say (if thats an expression) that pretty much anyone could be charged with a crime if the US attorney is going to apply every federal criminal law in a literal fashion without regard to common sense or decency.
So Obama should pardon Young and fire the US attorney, regardless of what "constituency" that may appeal to.
As far as I am concerned, none of the others you mention are anywhere near the front of the line in terms of deserving pardon.
David Genis Keep on writing this type of great stuff.
One doesn't have to believe that Lynne Stewart deserves a pardon in order to believe that there is no real interest in keeping her confined while she is dying. George W. Bush, to his credit, did not "pardon" Scooter Libby, but, rightly or not, he did commute his sentence so that he didn't have to go to jail. Similarly, Obama could commute Stewart's sentence to "time served" and let her go home.
I apologize for the off topic post, but I just wanted to point out to you Professor Levinson, and hopefully you can pass this on to your fellow bloggers, that there are numerous options for moderating comment threads on the blogger platform. One such tool is the ability to ban persistent trolls and those that bait them.
If it's free speech norms that prevents their use, I'd say I much prefer moderated comments to no comments at all, which is now the mostly what there is on this blog.
One doesn't have to believe that Lynne Stewart deserves a pardon in order to believe that there is no real interest in keeping her confined while she is dying.
She certainly has a better compassionate case than Lindh for a commutation.
This is the kind of thing commutation was designed for.
Blogger allows banning now?
I moved my blog from Blogger to Wordpress so I could ban BB from trashing the comments without having to go through the hassle and delay of moderation.
I can't believe that clown has been following me around for a decade now.
Ditto what Brad said. I know moderating is time consuming and annoying. But really, if you want to have a blog, then it's part of the deal.
I meant that is could work as a prophylactic in a similar way. If convictions that involved malfeasance by authorities were routinely, or even somewhat regularly in a symbolic way, commuted it might deter such malfeasance later.
As to the general matter of banning, I am against banning anyone who posts regularly here, even though I may not like their approach and/or comments. In a diverse democracy what good does more and more shutting out of comments you do not like do? It is too easy to simply scroll down past ones you do not like.
Can a pure (or even impure) libertarian believe in banning someone from blog commenting where comments are not prohibited?
As to moderation, it need not actually be moderate but more likely subjective in practice. I respect a blog site decision (or one of its poster's) not to permit comments. But censorship is another matter when comments are invited. This is not comparable to falsely yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
Of course, there is the issue of the NSA which some may consider as a not so subtle form of inducing moderation on an involuntary basis. By the way, NSA, I'm a post-Korean pre-Vietnam veteran.
Query: With a moderation system, presumably the moderator (executive) could provide "clemency" from time to time?
I only have two rules at my blog - keep it civil and keep it on topic. Opposing points of view are what make blogging fun.
BB posted dozens of foul and obscene comments and continued to do so through multiple computers until I ended up blocking them all. Wordpress has a very nice filter that spots most foul comments before they are posted.
Shag, I am a libertarian, not an anarchist.
You folks have seen BB on his very best behavior.
I am truly sorry he follows me here.
Our SALADISTA informs me:
"Shag, I am a libertarian, not an anarchist."
There is perhaps a thin line between libertarianism and anarchism. Here's a segment of our SALADISTA's comment (10:37 AM) at Sandy's 8/15/13 post "Sleepwalking":
Neither elections nor judicial review have remedied this problem.
Would it then be proper for the Tea Party minority to riot in Washington and demand the military (who are also not big fans of this president) impose a coup dissolving the current government, place Democrat politicos under arrest, essentially outlaw the Democratic Party, appoint Speaker Boehner as interim President, and then start shooting down Democrat demonstrators in the streets?
What is good for Egyptians should be good for Americans, after all.
Did our SALADISTA cross the line or is he on thin ice under global warming conditions? Obviously there are many shades of libertarianism. Our SALADISTA now seems to be a "warrior" libertarian.
In any case, Cruz himself better know the answer to this question before running because the Clinton oppo research trolls will most certainly be looking.
Hope Cruz is a citizen because he will most certainly liven up the race.
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