Wednesday, June 26, 2013
This Pudding Lacks a Theme
Gerard N. Magliocca
Let me start by saying that I like the result in Windsor. I support same-sex marriage as a policy matter. And I can understand a few ways of concluding that same-sex marriage is constitutionally required.
I don't think the Court is saying that state-level same-sex marriage bans are unconstitutional -- just that federal ones have additional constitutional vulnerabilities that are sufficient to dispose of Windsor's case. I'm surprised to be chiding people on Balkinization about hyper-formalism, but I would have thought we were past the point where we assume that structural and rights arguments are rigidly separate categories.
Windsor sued to obtain a tax benefit. She didn't get it.
It's nice that Obama supported her and all, but at the end of the day, no benefit until the USSC ruled. And, though some might not believe it, if the USSC ruled to uphold DOMA would Obama just ignore it and give her the benefit anyway? Under what authority?
As to prudence, the matter was fully argued especially with BLAG's involvement, and not deciding it as the majority noted would have raised various complications. Standing is clear.
As to the merits, I don't understand the bit about the 5A and 14A being different here. What does that mean? How is he reading it differently?
The issue here is a specific government's power to do something, in particular a claim that they are wrongly targeting a particular group. Using rules that apply both to the states and the feds, the opinion notes that specifically targeting certain groups in a certain invidious way is a problem.
To judge this, the court has to look at the specific governmental body in question. Here it is the feds. They regulate marriage but generally have let the states develop marriage law generally as to who can get married etc. DOMA suddenly altered this and there is clear evidence also of invidious intent. So, federalism enters into it, since inhibiting the states is curious and somewhat suspicious behavior, raising questions something bad is occurring.
I agree with the common law method and that its results becomes clearer over time. But, the Court is not specifically providing heightened scrutiny to gays and lesbians. They are applying a more general principle and in a more restricted context.
DOMA is particularly problematic above and beyond state restrictions. Finally, if you have this much difficulty with the ruling, on some level you don't like its "result," since the reasoning is an aspect of it.
Cf. A separate post explaining the possible "result" of the reasoning in Prop 8, which might have led to the curious allotment of dissenters.
Asking the Court for some coherence is not hyper formalism. Or formalism. It's fine to say that the result is all that matters, but that's not my line of work.
Wow did you miss the point here. For starters, surely you don't buy the moronic rightwing argument that it is morally incoherent to permit gay people to marry if you don't also legalize bigamy? (FYI I think both bigamy and gay marriage should be legal.) When moral questions are at stake, any step in the correct direction is coherent even if you don't go all the way. Before touting Scalia's supposed "tour de force" you need to ask yourself what really constitutes "coherence" in a
I'm curious what's moronic about that, except that it is, for the moment, inconvenient for liberals to defend bigamists? Polygamy has a lot sounder foundation as a traditional form of marriage than SSM ever had, and the government must deal daily with immigrants who are LEGALLY married to more than one person in their country of origin.
I'll agree the concern is largely insincere, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out your foe's glaring inconsistencies.
I'll try to be clearer. If I thought that standing was present in Windsor, which I don't, I would have said that a ban on same-sex marriage is gender discrimination that lacks a persuasive justification as required by the Supreme Court's cases. Would that get a majority? No. Would I write it as a separate opinion? Yes. It's clear and easy to understand. Kennedy himself said as much at oral argument.
Justice "Scowlia's" "argle, bargle" is his anglicized description of the sounds emitted by a spewing Etna.
As a purely political matter, I completely agree that allowing gay marriage does not compel us, in any way at all, to also permit bigamy (or incest marriage, or God forbid underage marriage). But as a matter of jurisprudence, surely it's a bit more complicated, right? I mean, either states have the run of defining who can marry whom, or they don't.
We can have very clean and intellectually pure compartments where the states decide whatever they want (man can marry woman, man can marry man, dad can marry daughter, mom can marry whole men's softball team, etc) and the federal government has no business denying benefits to any of these, or the federal government can decide, through passing laws, which kinds of marriages to confer benefits to.
If the federal government has no business excluding gay people even though there is a federal law doing exactly that, then on what grounds does the federal government exclude anyone a state asserts is married?
For whatever it's worth, I like the (social) result of the case; I'm less convinced the result is the doctrinally correct one, for whatever THAT'S worth.
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(FYI I think both bigamy and gay marriage should be legal.) When moral questions are at stake, any step in the correct direction is coherent even if you don't go all the way.