Friday, February 10, 2012
What is Rick Santorum's position on masturbation?
According to the Sacred Congregation of the Faith of the Roman Catholic Church,
Consider this off-hand remark of the late George Carlin:
"Masturbation is not illegal. If it were, people would take the law into their own hands."
Carlin may not have been successful on the First Amendment's speech clause before SCOTUS but seems to have made his point with "We the People." So even if the First Amendment's establishment clause failed to prevent a Santorum "clean hands" law, "We the People" just might take that law into our own hands (nullification?).
Sandy, what's wrong with a little snark from time to time? Consider the young lad responding to urges that could lead to "ipsation": "They came for the abortionists and the women they aborted and I did not object. They came for women taking birth control pills and I did not object. They came for men using prophylactics and I did not object. And then they came for me." If only masturbators had the vote!
Query if the Hosanna-Tabor ruling establishes "Sharia law" by overriding neutral general laws.
As to Santorum, Chris Hayes just played a clip of him citing the French Revolution as an example of what happens when we no longer rest things on natural law. Yes, imagine if the GOVERNMENT told us who to marry, what type of sexual relations to perform, what to do with our body, including control of our family size.
Of course, like Hayes guest from Notre Dame noted, we do from "time to time" lie and all. OTOH, people don't think that is generally a good idea. Use of contraceptives, or well masturbating, most Catholics don't find bad. At least, if done in certain places.
Molly Worthen says that Santorum's beliefs are " ... based on centuries of Roman Catholic natural law." But is such natural law universal? Has natural law, Catholic or otherwise, evolved over the centuries in the fashion of common law? Does the layperson, Catholic or other, have significant knowledge of such natural law or must the layperson rely upon religious elites to be informed? Is there a concept of originalism to such natural law? How has natural law fit with our Constitution? (Is information available on the religious affiliations of the framers/ratifiers?) Or is natural law subject to discovery in addressing situations not anticipated by the framers/ratifiers? I wonder if there has been any recent polling on natural law in America.
Mormons believe masturbation is a sin too, at least if the masturbator is a single person. The "masturbation" question is asked by a Mormon bishop in a "worthiness interview," and the answer should be "no," or the person can't enter a Mormon temple (man or woman) or hold the priesthood (man only; women can't hold the priesthood). Lots of young boys lie to their bishop about their masturbation(http://mormoncurtain.com/topic_interviews.html). Oh, and the bishops are as clueless as Mormons were in Brazil when blacks were getting into the temple because the blacks didn't know they had "one drop" of black blood in them (see http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon480.htm).
So, give Santorum a break, but don't vote for him or Romney if you want to be able to continue masturbating. LOL.
I thought we got past the issue of whether Catholic presidents would enforce church doctrine as law when JFK was elected.
The Catholics and a majority of their fellow citizens are opposed to the Obamacare decree that church owned employers must pay for birth control for their employees because the government is getting into church business, not the other way around.
If we are going to review presidential candidates' church doctrine for indications of their future governance, perhaps we should start with Mr. Obama's racist and socialist black liberation church.
Clearly he takes a hands-on position on issues like this.
Our yodeler once against demonstrates his "masterdebating" proclivities with his racist/socialist rant. Perhaps in our yodeler's mind Obama's church can be compared with the Roman Catholic Church in power, influence and wealth.
By the Bybee [expletives deleted], is Newt still our yodeler's anti-Mitt candidate?
Obama had a far more intimate relationship with the right Reverend Wright and his black liberation church than Santorum likely had with the Catholic church into which he was born.
Being abandoned by his biological father profoundly shaped his youth, causing him to seek out a series of surrogate father mentors. The last two of these were a communist writer and family friend - Frank Marshall - and then Wright. Both Marshall and Wright hated U.S. capitalism and saw socialism as the cure for racism.
Obama went church shopping as a young community organizer, interviewing preachers and chose Wright because of his black liberation theology.
Although Obama has whitewashed his relationship with these two men, they both figure priminently in Obama's middle age autobiographies. It is difficult to believe that they did not have a significant influence on pour President's thinking.
Our yodeler tries to make his point with:
" ... than Santorum likely had with the Catholic church into which he was born."
So how many years has Santorum been with the world-wide Catholic church as compared to the time that Obama was with Rev. Wright's church? During Santorum's political career, which has been much, much longer than Obama, Santorum has made statement after statement of the influence of the Catholic church on his role as an elected official. Santorum was on the morning political shows today avoiding, except for his body language, responses that his lifelong religious upbringing would not impact his decisions if elected President.
Our yodeler's refusal to take my "By the Bybee" bait suggests he may be leaning to Santorum as his new non-Mitt and his comment photo may soon display a sweater vest - perhaps continuing with the blue color of his blue state.
I would presume that Santorum's position on masturbation is the same as Joe Lieberman's position on wearing shatnez. For myself, I don't go around sneering at other people's religious beliefs, but that's just me.
I think Prof. Levinson's concern as to Santorum is that he wants to make his religious beliefs public policy in a broad sense, see contraceptives. I don't think Lieberman desires to on that front.
I note at Daily Kos a discussion on Viagra that contrasts the position of the Catholic Bishops with that of Rick Santorum. Apparently the former okay Viagra as enhancing procreation (even though the Viagra user may be kinda old) although they might use condoms. Santorum objects because the prime mover seems to be use for pleasure. From the woman's position, she may have to rely upon the pill to be protected from a drug enhanced male, especially over a four=hour period. Of course Viagra may also enhance masturbation. Could the Bishops' tolerance of Viagra be influenced by the fact they are all males?
Wow. Perhaps you commentators should think more and use your hands less. If we wanted asinine commentary from 1Ls, we would read Volokh's blog.
Even though it is now post-2012 Valentine's Day, consider Cole Porter's "Let's Fall In Love." A recent commenter chides "commentators" on this thread, suggesting their comments are more "fit" for the VC Blog. A review of Porter's lyrics reveals a broad spectrum of those that succumb, alas, not libertarians.
Speaking of Valentine's Day, at the next GOP presidential debate I would hope that the candidates would be shown and asked for their comments on the "interview" by Jon Stewart of Ricky Gervais yesterday. Apoplexy may result or panda-monium.
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