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Wednesday, October 19, 2011
A Proposal for Imposing Fiscal Restraint on Law Schools
Brian Tamanaha
Law school tuition has increased at an unrestrained rate in recent years, with a handful of schools now above $50,000 per year, and more poised to follow. As long as students are willing and able to pay what law schools charge, it appears that little can stop this.
Comments:
Why $45 million per class? Where is this number coming from?
Why anything? Why should the government involve itself at all, especially if it looks as though this is going to turn into a massive waste of taxpayer money.
A,
I just picked a number. It could be set higher or lower (including 0). The questions you raise are serious and should be discussed.
Simply eliminating Grad PLUS and federally privileged private student loans would do a great deal to help.
Stafford loans top out at $20,500/year (@ 6.8%). Perkins top out at $8,000/year ( @5%) and is already limited by school to only a subset of students. That means that any school that wanted to charge more than $28,500 / year at the most would have to accept students who could: 1) either pay the difference through their own resources or 2) convince a private lender that they are a worth credit risk. I imagine such lenders will be more than happy to analyze all the factors that go into repayment risk, including school quality, before parting with unsecured loan money.
I would like to see schools have "skin in the game," so to speak.
I think it would appropriate for a school to have to pay 5% of the loss if one of their former students default on their federal student loans. For students of multiple schools (transfers, people who go straight to law school with undergrad debt), it would be appropriate to prorate that by what percentage of the money the student borrowed occurred while that student was enrolled at that school. This can be tweaked further, but it would provide a huge incentive for schools to do better at helping their students attain jobs, and would provide a force for making sure tuition is being well spent.
Brian:
The general principles of your plan are extremely sound and would be applied to all universities. Great work.
What will be the mechanism for making law schools pay 5% of the loss if one of their former students defaults on a loan? Does it matter why they defaulted?
BH:
You can just have the .gov withhold the money in the first place, and then disperse it after the loans are paid off. The school should be able to sell this future income stream if it so chooses, though obviously at a discount partly dependent on its quality. Another mechanism would be for the school to act as a guarantor for the 5%. That would put the onus on the servicer (usually the Dept. of Education these days) to seek redress upon default.
Here's a "what if" to consider:
If student loans had not expanded over the years, would tuitions have risen so much at both colleges and law schools? Did expanding student loans contribute to tuition rises? Was this a matter of supply and demand or something else? Student loans benefit parents for obvious reasons. And of course they benefit the student who otherwise would not have been able to afford college or law school; but at what costs? Perhaps in the early years, the costs could be handled by an eventual job permitting repayment. But as tuitions rose and thus student loans, at some point there would be problems, like now. Let's also consider the impact upon the public, the taxpayers, particularly with respect to law school, of high student loans. For the student to effectively pay back the loan (with interest, of course), a high paying job is necessary. The law firm employer of the young and fortunate lawyer surely would pass on the costs of such a high salary to clients. But this same assessment could apply to a young lawyer in a small firm or solo practice in setting fees that would cover the living expenses of the lawyer, including repayment of student loans (with interest, of course). Should there be a federal policy that addresses this? Compare the federal tax policies that have subsidized home ownership: mortgage interest paid permits for a federal income deduction; property taxes paid permits for a federal income tax deduction. [There are, of course, other subsidies, but these are the major ones for the homeowner.] The student loan interest paid does not result in a federal tax deduction. And discharging student loans via bankruptcy can be difficult. Apparently the subsidies for student loans are most beneficial to lenders since the loans may be guaranteed by the federal government. So the student borrower can end up "under water" similar to many mortgages today. These are random thoughts, I realize. But perhaps the underlying issues should be addressed rather than the band-aid approach suggested. As I have noted with earlier comments on this subject, my concern is with the consumer who needs appropriate and affordable legal services.
When my father z"l (law '47) and my grandfather z"l (law '14) went to law school it was a program for undergraduates. They entered right after high school. They were awarded an LLB. (bachelor of laws) when they graduated. They were both very fine lawyers.
If we went back to that system, we would save the students as much as $200,000 each. When I went to law school (law '75), we had classes with upwards of 100 students in them. Those classes were taught by professors who had not published more than a handfull of articles. It certainly helped keep the costs down. My recommendation would be going back to the undergraduate degree program. Actually, what we should really do is make law a two year program at community colleges. like useful trades such as plumbing. Then it would be affordable for everyone and it would loose the cachet that made it a target for the 1%.
I'm hesitant about the idea of a per school cap, since it would tend to eliminate diversity and competition in the marketplace — schools would be encouraged to all be the same size as the top schools, basically, and students would have less choice between different options. I see why per student caps wouldn't work, but what about per faculty?
I think "Fat Man" above also makes a very good suggestion (though it's unrelated to this thread). I'd just add that there is perhaps a social value to the "cache" of the legal profession, insofar as that cache translates into incentives that help enforce valuable professional norms. Finally, maybe the way to decrease loans without hurting access is to make the cap for a school tied to a FAFSA-like evaluation of the need of its students.
Verbal precision is a mark of good lawyering.
cachet: 4. superior status; prestige: The job has a certain cachet. cache 1. a hiding place, especially one in the ground, for ammunition, food, treasures, etc. 2. anything so hidden.
Please excuse the typo. I didn't realize that blog comment threads were in the domain of lawyering. :)
There's no need for a cap, and no reason to think that the federal government would be in a good position to determine the appropriate level.
All that's needed is to revert the treatment of private student loans to what it was prior to 2005, on a prospective basis. Private bank loans for law school will dry up immediately, at least for most students at most schools. Then the schools can get into the lending business, or guarantee the portfolio of loans for the classes they put together, or otherwise creatively address the problem that their management decisions have created. The loan eligibility requirements applicable to for-profit schools should be applicable to law schools to. They are profit centers, aren't they?
Under the current system, are loans available only based on need, or are they available to most or all students. If the latter, why?
Do the schools themselves, like their undergraduate counterparts, provide substantial need/merit based scholarship aid?
Today's NYTimes (10/25/11) features Clifford Winston's op-ed "Are Law Schools and Bar Exams Necessary?" that may be somewhat of a reaction to high law school tuitions. While this article opens the barn door to potentially provide consumers with lower costs for legal services, there are serious concerns with the quality of such legal services and adequate protections to the consumer for such quality failures. The article is opportunistic on certain failures of law schools that Brian has been addressing. My concern has been and continues to be that the consumer of legal services is entitled to a proper delivery of such services at affordable prices. Winston's proposal does not adequately address this. Perhaps I am too much of an old fogey to comprehend how a virtual deregulation of the practice of law would provide a public benefit. Winston's argument is not new but perhaps law school actions over the years have given the argument new incentive.
Yesterday’s (10/29/11) NYTimes Business Day section features on its first page John Eligon’s “Selling Pieces of Law Firms — Outside Investors May Take Some Control From Lawyers” that might add some twists to this post. The photo accompanying the article depicts the legal services offerings of Quality Solicitors at the West London store of the retailer WHSmith.
Is the commodification of legal services the future for the profession (assuming it remains a profession)?
Here's something that it occurred to me that I haven't seen in this whole discussion - whether from Prof Tamanaha or Prof Campos - that I would really like to see - what do actual law school budgets look like?
In this post Prof T talks about combined debt per class of in the $90 million ballpark for Cooley and proposed $45 million/class cap. So, assuming for a moment (and we know this isn't so) that students are funding 100% of their educations through loans, this $45 million cap would give law schools an operating budget of $135 million/year (3 classes in school at any one time). This seems like an absurdly high number to be spending every year for a law school. My knee-jerk reaction tells me I could run a school with a much lower budget than that. But with the law school being a cash cow for the university, prof salaries, etc, what does the actual breakdown look like? Prof T, is there any info on this sort of thing that you're able to present? I'd be curious to see it. Thanks.
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HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
HEAD OFFICE--3 Basinghall Avenue,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] --------------------------------------------------------- NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES , is a charitable loan organization. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. Available Loans *Commercial Loans. *Personal Loans. *Business Loans. *Investments Loans. *Development Loans. *Construction loans. Kindly fill the application below form below. APPLICATION FORM Name:---------------- Address:------------- Country:------------- Occupation:---------- Loan Amount---------- Purpose of loan------ Loan Duration-------- Phone Number:-------- STAY BLESS ALICIA ROGER EMAIL ADDRESS--[nationwideloans644@gmail.com] www.nationwideloanserves.webs.com NATION WIDE LOAN FINANCE SERVICES
CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM
EMAIL ADDRESS==={charityloansonlinefirm@gmail.com} HEAD OFFICE====35-39 Inverness Terrace,London, United Kingdom ======================================================================= welcome to CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM. this is a charity online firm formed to help individuals all over the world in need to financial help. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate . We provide all types of loans Debt Consolidation Business Loans Personal Loans Consumer Loans Medical Loans Student Loans And many more - REGARDS MRS SANDRA CHOLE EMAIL ADDRESS==={charityloansonlinefirm@gmail.com} CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM
CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM
EMAIL ADDRESS==={charityloansonlinefirm@gmail.com} HEAD OFFICE====35-39 Inverness Terrace,London, United Kingdom ======================================================================= welcome to CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM. this is a charity online firm formed to help individuals all over the world in need to financial help. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate . We provide all types of loans Debt Consolidation Business Loans Personal Loans Consumer Loans Medical Loans Student Loans And many more - REGARDS MRS SANDRA CHOLE EMAIL ADDRESS==={charityloansonlinefirm@gmail.com} CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM
CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM
EMAIL ADDRESS==={charityloansonlinefirm@gmail.com} HEAD OFFICE====35-39 Inverness Terrace,London, United Kingdom ======================================================================= welcome to CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM. this is a charity online firm formed to help individuals all over the world in need to financial help. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate . We provide all types of loans Debt Consolidation Business Loans Personal Loans Consumer Loans Medical Loans Student Loans And many more - REGARDS MRS SANDRA CHOLE EMAIL ADDRESS==={charityloansonlinefirm@gmail.com} CHARITY LOAN ONLINE FIRM
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of ---- Renovating houses and institutions, Debt consolidation, Re-financing purposes, Establishment of business outfit ============================================================= We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients------- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of ---- Renovating houses and institutions, Debt consolidation, Re-financing purposes, Establishment of business outfit ============================================================= We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients------- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients----- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients----- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients----- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients----- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients----- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients----- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER AM SO HAPPY Am SUSAN DENISE Am here to testify of how i got my loan from HOLY FAMILY LOAN CENTER, me and my family are happy today because MATILDA WILLIAMS saves my son,s life by giving me a smooth and easy loan amount of $850 000 from her charitable and reliable loan firm named HOLY FAMILY LOAN CENTER. Am making this testimony today to every one out there who is in financial crises and in need of loan badly to contact HOLY FAMILY LOAN CENTER with the email address below---[holyfamilyloancenter@gmail.com].and here is their site www.holyfamilyloancenter.webs.com MATILDA WILLIAMS is a women of her words here is their email address [holyfamilyloancenter@gmail.com] Once again i must say thank you MATILDA WILLIAMS for saving my son,s life. AM SO HAPPY Am SUSAN DENISE Am here to testify of how i got my loan from HOLY FAMILY LOAN CENTER, me and my family are happy today because MATILDA WILLIAMS saves my son,s life by giving me a smooth and easy loan amount of $850 000 from her charitable and reliable loan firm named HOLY FAMILY LOAN CENTER. Am making this testimony today to every one out there who is in financial crises and in need of loan badly to contact HOLY FAMILY LOAN CENTER with the email address below---[holyfamilyloancenter@gmail.com].and here is their site www.holyfamilyloancenter.webs.com MATILDA WILLIAMS is a women of her words here is their email address [holyfamilyloancenter@gmail.com] Once again i must say thank you MATILDA WILLIAMS for saving my son,s life.
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. ================================================================ We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients------------ * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- I am MRS FLORENCE NOAH,Director and CEO of HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER . HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. ================================================================ We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000. Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients------------ * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. ======================================================= Interested applicants should please contact us with our email address [heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HEAD OFFICE ---1 Kennington Road, London SE1 7QP EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) -------------------------------------------------- You are welcomed to HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP,our obligation is helping the needy to gain financial stability in order to meet with the demands of living. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of renovating houses and institutions,debt consolidation, re-financing and also establishment of business outfits. We give out our Loan in USD($) and GBP(£) and any currency of your choice. * Are you financially Squeezed? * Do you seek funds to pay off credits and debts * Do you seek finance to set up your own business? * Are you in need of private or business loans for various purposes? * Do you seek loans to carry out large projects * Do you seek funding for various other processes? Sincere Regards SUSAN PHILIPS www.holyredeemerloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HEAD OFFICE ---1 Kennington Road, London SE1 7QP EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) -------------------------------------------------- You are welcomed to HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP,our obligation is helping the needy to gain financial stability in order to meet with the demands of living. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of renovating houses and institutions,debt consolidation, re-financing and also establishment of business outfits. We give out our Loan in USD($) and GBP(£) and any currency of your choice. * Are you financially Squeezed? * Do you seek funds to pay off credits and debts * Do you seek finance to set up your own business? * Are you in need of private or business loans for various purposes? * Do you seek loans to carry out large projects * Do you seek funding for various other processes? Sincere Regards SUSAN PHILIPS www.holyredeemerloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HEAD OFFICE ---1 Kennington Road, London SE1 7QP EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) -------------------------------------------------- You are welcomed to HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP,our obligation is helping the needy to gain financial stability in order to meet with the demands of living. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of renovating houses and institutions,debt consolidation, re-financing and also establishment of business outfits. We give out our Loan in USD($) and GBP(£) and any currency of your choice. * Are you financially Squeezed? * Do you seek funds to pay off credits and debts * Do you seek finance to set up your own business? * Are you in need of private or business loans for various purposes? * Do you seek loans to carry out large projects * Do you seek funding for various other processes? Sincere Regards SUSAN PHILIPS www.holyredeemerloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HEAD OFFICE ---1 Kennington Road, London SE1 7QP EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) -------------------------------------------------- You are welcomed to HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP,our obligation is helping the needy to gain financial stability in order to meet with the demands of living. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of renovating houses and institutions,debt consolidation, re-financing and also establishment of business outfits. We give out our Loan in USD($) and GBP(£) and any currency of your choice. * Are you financially Squeezed? * Do you seek funds to pay off credits and debts * Do you seek finance to set up your own business? * Are you in need of private or business loans for various purposes? * Do you seek loans to carry out large projects * Do you seek funding for various other processes? Sincere Regards SUSAN PHILIPS www.holyredeemerloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HEAD OFFICE ---1 Kennington Road, London SE1 7QP EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) -------------------------------------------------- You are welcomed to HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP,our obligation is helping the needy to gain financial stability in order to meet with the demands of living. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of renovating houses and institutions,debt consolidation, re-financing and also establishment of business outfits. We give out our Loan in USD($) and GBP(£) and any currency of your choice. * Are you financially Squeezed? * Do you seek funds to pay off credits and debts * Do you seek finance to set up your own business? * Are you in need of private or business loans for various purposes? * Do you seek loans to carry out large projects * Do you seek funding for various other processes? Sincere Regards SUSAN PHILIPS www.holyredeemerloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HEAD OFFICE ---1 Kennington Road, London SE1 7QP EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) -------------------------------------------------- You are welcomed to HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP,our obligation is helping the needy to gain financial stability in order to meet with the demands of living. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 USD,at 2.0% interest rate Our loans are well insured and maximum security is our priority, We offer loans to individuals as well as organizations who have intentions of renovating houses and institutions,debt consolidation, re-financing and also establishment of business outfits. We give out our Loan in USD($) and GBP(£) and any currency of your choice. * Are you financially Squeezed? * Do you seek funds to pay off credits and debts * Do you seek finance to set up your own business? * Are you in need of private or business loans for various purposes? * Do you seek loans to carry out large projects * Do you seek funding for various other processes? Sincere Regards SUSAN PHILIPS www.holyredeemerloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS --(holyredeemerloans@gmail.com) HOLY REDEEMER FINANCE LOAN SETUP
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients--- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] HEAD OFFICE--742 Harrow Road London UNITED KINGDOM ---------------------------------------------------- HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER is a legitimate and well known British approved loan lending company based in London, united kingdom. We give out loans from the range of $1,000 to $90,000,000 at an interest of 2% rate. We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients--- * Long term loans (20_40years) * Short term loans (5_10years) * Media term loans (10_20years ) * Investors Loans * Debt Consolidation * Second Mortgage * Business Loans * Personal Loans * International Loans * Home loans. THANKS EMAIL ADDRESS--[heritagetrustloancenter@gmail.com] FLORENCE NOAH www.heritagetrustloans.webs.com HERITAGE TRUST LOAN CENTER
DIRECT SERVICE ONLINE FIRMIE
CENTRALA --- Richmond Road, Worthing, Wielka Brytania E-mail - [directserviceonlinefirm@gmail.com] -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- Dajemy pożyczki z zakresu od $ 1000 do $ 90,000,000.at zainteresowanie z 2% stopy procentowej. Zainteresowani klienci powinni prosimy o wypełnienie formularza below- IMIĘ-------------- KRAJ----------- ADRES-------------- Kwota kredytu NIEZBĘDNE ------- CEL POŻYCZKI ------------ SCAN i dołączyć swoją tożsamość CARD-- BIURO / HOME NUMER TELEFONU ----------- PŁEĆ--------------------------- Nasza firma kontakt pocztowy pole jest via- [directserviceonlinefirm@gmail.com] ROSE WILLIAMS E-mail - [directserviceonlinefirm@gmail.com] DIRECT SERVICE ONLINE FIRMIE
DIRECT SERVICE ONLINE FIRM
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HEAD OFFICE -- ONE SOUTHAMPTON ROW ,UNITED KINGDOM EMAIL ADDRESS - (chapelloans@gmail.com) ------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to CHAPEL FINANCIAL LOAN SERVICES.we offer loans to individuals who are going through financial crises. We give out loans from the range of £ 9,00usd to £ 900,000,000 We offer the following kinds of loans to our clients------ *Investors Loans *Debt Consolidation *Second Mortgage *Business Loans *Personal Loans *InternationLoans Kindly fill our loan appication details below -- LOAN APPLICATION FORM ---------------------- NAME ---------- ADDRESS-------- COUNTRY-------- AMOUNT OF LOAN NEEDED --- PHONE NUMBER ------------ PURPOSE OF LOAN --------- REGARDS JOYCE MORGAN www.chapelloans.webs.com EMAIL ADDRESS - (chapelloans@gmail.com) CHAPEL FINANCIAL LOAN SERVICES
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