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Sunday, July 31, 2011
Stanley Greenberg is the latest dot non-connector
Sandy Levinson
The Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg has a very interesting piece in today's NYTimes in which the principal question is why a Democratic Party that in fact is the majority party issue-by-issue is in such precarious shape as a political party. I won't go through his whole argument; you should read it yourself. But I do want to highlight several of his specific statements: 1) I see clearly that voters feel ever more estranged from government — and that they associate Democrats with government. If Democrats are going to be encumbered by that link, they need to change voters’ feelings about government.
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However defective our Constitution may be, (And I'd agree it's far from perfect.) I think our political culture is far more defective. That's the far more critical problem, as even a perfect constitution being implemented by a corrupt political culture isn't going to be functional.
The Constitution hasn't been amended in four decades, except for the 27th amendment, which was speedily neutered by the judiciary. Clearly, our government managed to function for quite some time under a constitution which you regard as fatally broken. I put it to you that the Constitution isn't what's driving our present difficulties. In many ways, it's hardly a factor at all anymore...
Thanks for pointing out that I inadvertently substituted the name of my good friend Randy Kennedy for my good friend Randy Barnett. I've made the correction in the text.
As for Brett, I'm mystified by his reference to the judicial "neuttering" of the 27th Amendment (assuming, of course, one regards it as a legitimate amendment in the first place, given the 203-year time lag between proposal and final ratification in 1992). The very fact that it is regarded as legitimate is one of the most bizarre aspects of American constitutional culture!
1. I don't know how anyone could type out "TP Patriots" without getting angered and at least putting "Patriots" in scare quotes. For starters, their very name implies that somehow others are less patriotic.
2. Greenberg either doesn't realize or mention how much Dem social/cultural issues play in driving people away from them. Consistently calling people racists as Dem leaders do does not exactly endear them to your party. 3. Greenberg's immig. ideas (at least) can't be trusted. The polls he mentions are able to achieve their remarkable results through various forms of bias, such as offering a false choice between mass round-ups and "reform". Polls invariably fail to mention a third option (attrition). Those polls also invariably fail to note any of the downsides of their plans (such as giving the MX gov't even more political power inside the U.S.)
Sandy:
Consider, though, a conference that will be held at Harvard in September, co-sponsored byFix Congress First (organized by Larry Lessig), the Harvard Law School, AND Tea Party Patriots, precisely for the purpose of considering the need for a new constitutional convention. THAT will be a fascinating discussion. Please post on the conference when it happens. Do you think they might have online video feed or recordings?
Stan Greenberg is doing his usual ramp up polling and focus groups leading up to a presidential election. Rather than any structural matters, Greenberg is looking at how the government's mismanagement of the economy is deeply alienating voters from the government. His NYT piece is just the latest of several discussions of this phenomenon. Here are a couple recent highlights:
http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/29/obama-wont-declare-mission-accomplished-on-the-recovery-should-he-defend-it-at-all/ http://www.democracycorps.com/strategy/2010/ 08/end-of-july-tracking-real-economic-indicators/?section=Analysis#_ftn1
I think Brett is referring to Boehner v. Anderson, which allows Members of Congress to benefit from automatic COLAs without having to take a new vote.
Its somewhat of a sneaky way around the 27th amendment, though I am not sure that I would put the blame on the judiciary.
Sandy, it was ratified by the requisite number of states, for all that today's Congress would never have chosen to originate it.
Sandy, this is puzzling on so many levels.
1. You have correctly pointed out the deficiencies of the U.S. Constitution, but you can't seriously believe that the reason the U.S. is a reactionary and dysfunctional plutocracy is because of the particular Constitution adopted in 1789. 2. Do you seriously think a Constitutional Convention in the era of Fox News and other crypto-fascist media would yield anything other than a horror? This defies belief. You're stuck in an Idee Fixe at this point, and it's making your commentary increasingly irrelevant. The Constitution is epiphenomenal at this point.
"BARACK OBAMA can’t catch a break from the American public on the economy, even though he prevented a depression and saved global capitalism."
The words of a political hack. Give me an analysis by someone with no connection to the American party system. Give me at least someone who admits the difference between what the Democrats represent and what they claim to. But you're not going to will away the divisions in this country- between people, regions, and classes- with yet another gathering of Brahmins. Trying to create new systems of management is something you do after a crisis not before. For the moment education is the answer. As is it it's the more representative House that's full of nutjobs. Rank and file teabaggers and liberals are equally opposed to cuts in SS and medicare that the Poobahs of both parties are aiming for. We have a ridiculously uneducated electorate, and the teabaggers are are as clueless as they are enraged. The cluelessness is the problem, not the anger. The crisis in this country is political: it's down to the vulgarity of things. A single Payer program was popular when it was explained well. We didn't get it. SS is not in crisis, but the Poobahs say it is. Etc. etc. Save the design charrette for later. Again, given the situation it's just fiddling. Too many Americans want the freedom of children, but I'm going to celebrate the minority who crave the authority of schoolmasters.
typo: "but I'm not going to celebrate the minority who crave the authority of schoolmasters."
Leiter: "The Constitution is epiphenomenal at this point." Yes.
However the Constitution of this can be faulty, (And I agree, it is far from perfect.) I think our political culture is more defective. This is a much more critical, because even a perfect constitution, led by a corrupt political culture will not be functional. The Constitution has not changed in four decades, with the exception of the 27th change that was quickly reversed by the courts. Clearly, our government has managed to operate for a time under a constitution that you consider to be fatally broken. I put to you that the Constitution is not what motivates our current problems.
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