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Sunday, January 20, 2008
Anti-discrimination law in China
JB
The past few days I've been attending a fascinating conference on antidiscrimination law held in Chengdu sponsored by Sichuan University School of Law and the Yale China Law Center.
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As someone who lived in China for five years, I always find these abstract discussions of law in China, well, hilarious. China does not have a system based on the rule of law. Period.
I also find it hilarious when American scholars who are up in arms over the Bush administration's encroachments upon the rule of law in the US (as they should be), suddenly turn their eyes to a place like China and find all sorts of "encouraging signs." Most Chinese are not fooled so easily; they know the "law" in China is a joke. Just as in the other major systems in China (academe, the health system, product safety, etc.), you either know the right people or you lose. The rest is window dressing, mostly for an audience of clueless Westerners. I've seen it a thousand times. The real question China is grappling with now is how it can look like it has a system based on law while maintaining the party's supremacy behind the scenes. In China, the law exists in order to serve the party, not the other way around. So the fine distinctions they come up with in anti-discrimination law are really moot. Who is going to enforce these laws? And in the one in a million cases in which the law is actually enforced it is usually only done so for political reasons ("political" in the sense of eliminating the competition). Of course, all bets are off when one of the parties is a foreign entity of some sort, because then you are dealing with keeping up appearances. This explains why there actually have been advances in the area of contract law, but in terms of enforcement, you always need to look at the parties involved. Justice is far from blind in China; in fact, it is wearing super-powered bionic infrared night-vision goggles.
"me" makes a good point. My point is that how unfair it is that US companies have to compete against Chinese companies, when the Chinese companies do not have to obey the myriad employment rules that American companies do. I agree with FMLA, title VII, ADEA, OWBFA, work comp laws, laws against public policy retaliation, wage and hour rules, OSHA regs, etc., but I am not so naive as to think that those laws are free. They are costly to employers. Even good employers have to spend money to comply, and yes sometimes there are non-meritorious cases filed by employees.
But we have a 'free trade' orthodoxy in Washington so I guess it's too much to hope for fair trade, as in tariffs against countries that do not have similar (or even remotely close) worker protection laws as exist in the US.
I'm a Chinese HBV carrier, below is my blog written in English.
Your concern is our hope. HBVers in China Focus on HBV Discrimination in China http://hbversinchina.blogspot.com/ An article I wrote 3 days ago. Good News On August 30, 2007, the Chinese government passed a new employment law called the China Employment Promotion Law. The main objectives of the new legislation include advancing employment, establishing fair employment conditions, and banning employment discrimination. The law took effect on January 1, 2008. Job applicants will be entitled to sue employers for discrimination under the new national Employment Promotion Law. Bad News Before the law took effect, I wondered how effectively the new law will be implemented and enforced. Now, nearly one month after the law took effect, the outcome is pessimistic. HBV discrimination remains the same. Why the law turned out to be less effective than expected? Some sly HR managers began to reject HBV carriers for other excuses instead of hepatitis B. Finding an excuse to reject someone is so easy and you can get as many reason as you can if you want to. When it comes to accusation, it's very difficult for HBVer job-seekers to get any proof to sue the employers. Note that plaintiff is required to provide proof in China. Therefore, the law can't be implemented effectively. How to solve the problem? Pre-employment blood test of employees for hepatitis B should not be carried out unless relevant for assessment of medical fitness for work. As far as I know, in China, only in China, pre-employment blood test of employees for hepatitis B are forced, no matter what kind of job you apply even if you apply a position as a software developer or mechanic.
I am sad and unwilling to admit how true and even accurate "me"'s observations are.
The socitey,the government,the whole nation is based on not rule of law,neither traditional morals but mainly on the system of "relations"which you can put it in the way "me" puts it:you know the right person or you loose(though this is somewhat extreme) law is in many aspects just for the appearance,the ones with power can easily overide everything. Like universities are like private bussinesses run by the president, china is run by the high powers. overall make one wonder it's still a feudal society in the core. Hoever, I don't think efforts into law or others are merely "hilarious" that they only do good to improve the appearance.Though some laws are far from implemented but they gave scholars,law practioners and those who still care about the nation and its people a dream to strive towards. Besides, the govenment whishes to eastablish a more law-based countery since new reforms need it as long as its supremacy is not threatened.
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