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Monday, November 05, 2007
Our Classification Pathologies
Marty Lederman
One of the high-level CIA detainees, Majid Khan, recently met over eight days with his attorneys from the Center for Constitutional Rights, and told them of the "time he spent in CIA custody." In connection with the Mukasey confirmation vote, his attorneys quite understandably wish to let Congress know how our government has treated their client. But as a condition of being able to speak to their client in the first place, the government required them to agree not to reveal what their client told them, because (as they explained in a letter to Senators today) "everything we learned from our client is presumptively classified."
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If he does speak, he will be tortured. That is the reality.
The problems being faced here remind me greatly of the problems lawyers faced in apartheid South Africa. Best, Ben
The logic of secrecy laws doesn't prohibit such restraint.
A while back, the gummint walked in ex post facto, said that public key encryptation (PKE) was "classified", and demanded that the PKE scientists not talk about such at symposia and the like on pain of arrest for divulging "classified" material; material they had developed independently and w/o gummint assistance. And had Howard Mohr actually come too close to a working H-bomb design, you can bet your booties that the Progressive case would have snuffed the story (as it was, they were permitted to publish essentially because the same material had already reached the public in another forum; had that not occurred, the gummint may well have won on pre-publication suppression). When it comes to "security", that trumps all ... and the gummint gets to say what constitutes "security" (see, e.g., Reynolds). Cheers,
except that now the Senators have the ability to call a halt to this absurd classification nonsense
In light of our experience over the past year, I have to assume this is sarcastic.
Marty,
The government will likely claim statutory authority under the DNI's statutory obligation to protect "sources and methods." Regarding the government's willingness to impose classification restrictions on those who do not have a security clearance and are not government employees, look at the current AIPAC prosecution in the Eastern District of Virginia. --Kathleen Clark
This is not complicated.
The classification laws do not apply to either Khan of his attorneys. Khan's attorneys are bound by the contracts into which they voluntarily entered. As a legal matter, Khan has no rights (including First Amendment rights) under the Constitution as a foreign enemy combatant unless the Supremes reverse Quirin and create some out of whole cloth in the future. As a practical matter, Khan cannot give press conferences because he is detained. If this terrorist is someday freed, he is can write a book on his experiences as you note others have done. Meanwhile, the unclassified transcript of Majid's CRST hearing is readily available. The CRST not only took extensive evidence, but it allowed Majid to testify at length without redaction about his "torture." If you want a review of the classified CIA interrogation of Khan before Khan is freed, contact the chair of the intelligence committee who has jurisdiction over this area. As an aside, Khan is one of the many al Qaeda swept up a couple weeks after we captured and waterboarded KSM. Connect the dots.
I know this is not directly related but the restriction on allowing real circumstances to be presented in a legal case and trial don't to me seem to be new or solely related to government classification. Reading this post I was reminded of the California man that was convicted as a common drug dealer when in reality he was a seller of medical marijuana (prescribed mainly for the terminally ill as their pain grows and death approaches), a legal enterprise in California. The federal government prevented the jury in the case from being informed in any way that the defendant was practicing a completely legal and accepted business in their state. The trial and the jury were only allowed to consider the defendant as an alleged common street drug dealer. It was Kafkaesque. The jury members, after finding the man guilty and being informed that he was selling medical marijuana to those medically in need, were appalled and said they never would have convicted him if they had known that fact.
I repeatedly wonder at the alarm expressed here at the inadequacies of our laws, and especially the constitution, when it seems apparent that the inadequacies are of "men" rather than of laws. I've seen here a series of posts indicating the absurdity of calling for the passing of laws against torture when many such laws already exist. It's not the failure of laws (for the most part - I'm not disputing that there are major flaws in our laws, including the constitution) but the failure of malevolent and weak people to observe, abide by and enforce laws in a manner that was their intent and in the best interests of the nation and its people (despite the assurances otherwise).
The jury should have refused to convict even if it thought that the marijuana was sold to be used for pleasure or relaxation (horrors!). Better yet, everyone in the jury pool for a drug case should inform the judge beforehand that he will not convict, no matter what the evidence. What if they gave a drug war and nobody came?
I wonder how much work the word "victim" is doing his Marty's analysis.
I wonder about the Lamont case cited. Is this a reference to LAMONT v. POSTMASTER GENERAL, 381 U.S. 301 (1965)? That case dealt with the first amendment rights of US mail addressees, not their foreign correspondents. ("We rest on the narrow ground that the addressee in order to receive his mail must request in writing that it be delivered. This amounts in our judgment to an unconstitutional abridgment of the addressee's First Amendment rights.") Is there another Lamont case? Is this typical for Marty? I wonder if Marty knows that asking rhetorical questions isn't the same as making an argument. (See?)
Khan's attorneys are bound by the contracts into which they voluntarily entered.
According to the attorney's letter, "Under the present court order governing our access to our client and the applicable federal law concerning classified information, however, everything we learned from our client is presumptively classified."
benjamin davis said...
I looked at Khan's CSRT. It is redacted. I am referring to the page after page of Khan's unredacted whining that his detention conditions amounted to "torture."
I am referring to the page after page of Khan's unredacted whining that his detention conditions amounted to "torture."
from the transcript: "Exhibit D-b. MAJID KHAN written statement of Torture for Combatant Status Review Tribunal taken March 2007 by PR3. [REDACTED]. For me, things got better [REDACTED], and [REDACTED] I am brought to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I swear to God this place in some sense worse than CIA jails. I am being mentally torture here [REDACTED]. [REDACTED] Since I got here, I have tried to to cut my artery which goes through my elbow, on January 12th, 07 and again on February 22nd, 07..." What happened from 2003-January 12, 2007? We don't know, as it was all redacted. Apparently Only 4 pages from his 12 page statement made it into the record unredacted (pages 22-26 in the transcript, so I am assuming a 1-1 ratio), and apparently only things which happened since the beginning of 2007, including several attempts at suicide. Heck, if they wanted to blank out places and names for the missing 3+ years, they could have (as they did in the rest of the document), and left in the detainees allegations for that period (which are only alluded to as CIA prisons).
Marty, I'm wondering again what the support for the 1st amendment argument is. Would you kindly provide the cite to the correct Lamont case--the case I'm familiar with it clearly inapposite. What's the basis for asserting constitutional privilege for Khan's speech?
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