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Saturday, August 18, 2007
My Summer Vacation (or, What I learned from visiting New Zealand )
Sandy Levinson
I have now returned from a fascinating visit to New Zealand, and there is much to report on. First, though, a word from the New Zealand Tourist Bureau: Not only is New Zealand a beautiful country, even in their winter; New Zealanders as a group are also the nicest, most accomodating group of people I've ever seen. I could tell many stories of the superogatory kindnesses my wife and I were shown during our visit. I wholeheartedly recommend it as a place to visit.
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It may be hopeless to consider such a reform at the national level, where it is impossible to envision national-party "lists," but surely one might envision state-party lists, even in California.
Those of us who live in CA are just hoping that one day we get an actual republican government, one which operates by majority rule instead of requiring a 2/3 vote, and which actually represents people instead of being gerrymandered to the point that they'd run lines through the marital bed if they thought one spouse was R and the other D.
As noted in my original post, the New Zealand-German method of elections instantly makes gerrymandering obsolete, save, perhaps, for efforts to save particularly beloved incumbents. But the energy now put into screwing the other party becomes pointless if the ultimate number of seats in the legislature depends on the statewide vote.
That's a good point; in Canada, all 10 provinces have a unicameral legislature precisely because of this (Quebec was the last to abolish their second house, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Council_of_Quebec )
Of course, that is meted out with an Elections Act that prevents corporations from undue influence over government, which would probably be struck down in the US due to the 'juristic person' and first amendment idea if the court reaction to the Feingold campaign reform was any indication.. I also disagree with the way we elect US Senators, because it does not act like the 'cooling saucer' or house of 'sober second thought' *at all* these days. 17th amendment was not well thought out. PS: Grrr. No anonymous comments? :(
BTW, here is a good overview of bicameral vs unicameral in the state/provincial legislatures: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/uni_bicam.htm
Per John, I'm not sure what your ideal Seventeenth Amendment would be.
Was the Senate somehow working better in 1900 in this respect? If states, as some did, allowed some sort of plebcite that in a large way determined who would be senator, would it be different? IOW, what about the 17A in particular worsened the situation really, as compared to only reflecting an ongoing trend? Likewise, many don't like it, but filibusters, holds, and so forth do "cool" things, just as intended. To the degree politics and so forth perverted things, the problem (and others) existed for quite some time. Before 1917. But, just a personal hobbyhorse. Overall, the comparative pol sci expressed here is quite helpful. How about inviting someone from the NZ to guest post.
If 'Half the House of Representatives is elected in single-member districts' ... why would gerrymandering be obsolete?
If a sizable number of districts are single member, the practice would still seem to have some force.
Many thanks for the discussion of the mixed member proportional electoral system used in New Zealand and Germany. We in the U.S. need a lot more information about this subject.
This mixed member proportional system (MMP) would be an excellent choice for the U.S. at the state and national levels. But it's not the only excellent choice. The Single Transferable Vote (STV) system used in Ireland, Northern Ireland, Malta, Australia (upper house only), and for local elections in Cambridge, Massachusetts, has a different, but equally important, set of advantages. STV is the multi-seat sibling of instant runoff voting, which is rapidly becoming familiar to American voters. It's the only fully proportional system that is fair to independent voters and candidates (about a quarter of the American electorate) because it doesn't involve party lists. And -- for the same reason -- it works for local government, even in states where local elections are nominally nonpartisan. This is crucial because adoption of proportional voting in the U.S. has to start at the local level. It is very unlikely to to happen at the state level first, a point on which I might have a minor disagreement with Prof. Levinson. MMP has several strengths compared with STV. It represents smaller parties and groups (under 10 percent support or so) more naturally than STV. The tabulation process and seat allocation formula are easier to understand and therefore more transparent to voters. And it preserves the idea of personal representation that is so embedded in American and British Commonwealth political cultures. The Canadian province of Ontario will vote on adopting MMP at the provincial level on October 10. Visit the "yes" campaign for details. Electoral reform in Canada is about a generation ahead of us in the U.S. We desperately need to catch up.
Joe asks, If 'Half the House of Representatives is elected in single-member districts' ... why would gerrymandering be obsolete?
As Prof. Levinson points out above, the energy now put into screwing the other party becomes pointless if the ultimate number of seats in the legislature depends on the statewide vote. It's true that MMP would eliminate the possibility of altering the overall allocation of seats to parties by gerrymandering, but Joe's question is still valid. The effect of gerrymandering on seat allocation in the U.S. is actually fairly small; the logic of single member districts makes a much larger contribution to the mismatch between votes and seats. Gerrymandering is much more important as means of incumbent protection --and, under the Voting Rights Act, as a very poor substitute for proportional representation in terms of representation of ethnic minorities. While the Mixed Member Proportional system would improve representation of ethnic minorities, it's not clear to me how it would reduce the use of gerrymandering to create and maintain safe seats beyond the obvious fact they only half the seats could be gerrymandered. On the other hand, the Single Transferable Vote uses multi-seat districts, which are much harder (althought not completely impossible) to gerrymander for any purpose.
I am grateful for Bob Richards's informed contributions to this discussion. Needless to say, I think that the Irish system also has much to be said for it, particularly with regard to state legislatures. It does seem to eliminate gerrymandering entirely, whereas there might still be some incentive to retain at least some gerrymandering. But I am confident that the importance of gerrymandering would be greatly reduced.
Incidentally,much of the debate in Canada has been triggered by the appointment, several years ago, of a "citizen jury" in British Columbia that spent, I believe, at least a year contemplating the election system and then offering reforms. These reforms were accepted by a majority of the electorate, but the voting rule required, I believe, either 60% or 2/3, and it didn't get that.
Like the British Columbia proposal in 2005, the Ontario proposal was also formulated by a provincial Citizens' Assembly.
The British Columbia government imposed two simultaneous threshholds: 60% of the total vote, plus 50% in 60% of the legislative districts. The proposal (in British Columbia, it was for STV rather than MMP) got 58% percent province wide (and majorities in 77 of 79 districts). This was in spite of very low voter awareness of the issue. Ontario has imposed the same double super-majority requirement, which makes electoral reform an uphill fight there too. The ability of governments to set whatever threshold they like, separately for each referendum, illustrates one weakness of not having a written constitution (another topic touched on in Prof. Levinson's comments about New Zealand). On this blog, Heather Gerken has explore the Citizens' Assembly model in several posts.
Sandy's comments, interest and enthusiasm are much welcomed by this New Zealander constitutional lawyer, currently at Yale Law School of the Fall semester.
In terms of constitutional lessons for the US, I agree that both MMP, the unicameral system and the lack of judicial review of legislation are worth comparative study. But I also that the unwritten nature of the NZ constitution can be a stimulus to thinking about the nature of the US constitution; and wresting its definition and terminology back from the Supreme Court. Those interested can consult my views on exactly this in Matthew S. R. Palmer, "Using Constitutional Realism to Identify the Complete Constitution: Lessons from an Unwritten Constitution" 54 American Journal of Comparative Law 587 (2006). Matthew Palmer
New Zealand is one of the places I want to go on vacation to, due to the stories my friend has told me and the videos I watched that focused on that place. The last time I went on a vacation with my family was at Niagara Falls in New York. Apartment rental (short term) was the place where we stayed at for the whole duration of the trip.
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We felt like we are living in style whenever we relaxed at the short term furnished rentals (NYC located apartments), and it was economical to boot!
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