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Sunday, August 26, 2007
Learning the Lessons of Experience: A Meditation on the run-up to Constitution Day
Sandy Levinson
"Brett" writes as follows, in response to my previous posting: I will still maintain that the Professor should stop describing But why is the experiment of an extended republic to be rejected, merely because it may comprise what is new? Is it not the glory of the people of America, that, whilst they have paid a decent regard to the opinions of former times and other nations, they have not suffered a blind veneration for antiquity, for custom, or for names, to overrule the suggestions of their own good sense, the knowledge of their own situation, and the lessons of their own experience? . ... Had no important step been taken by the leaders of the Revolution for which a precedent could not be discovered, no government established of which an exact model did not present itself, the people of the United States might, at this moment have been numbered among the melancholy victims of misguided councils, must at best have been laboring under the weight of some of those forms which have crushed the liberties of the rest of mankind. Happily for America, happily, we trust, for the whole human race, they pursued a new and more noble course.. . . (emphasis added)
Comments:
Professor Levinson:
You contend that the solution to "rogue" executives is to replace our government which divides the executive from the legislature with a unitary parliamentary system. I understand your argument to be that a newly elected Dem Congress should be able to remove the Mr. Bush with a vote of no confidence (or for your equally rabid GOP counterparts, that a newly elected GOP Congress in 1984 should be able to similarly remove Mr. Clinton). However, under a parliamentary system where the government decides whether to hold off year elections, neither the Clinton nor the Bush administrations would have allowed off year elections under adverse electoral circumstances in 1994 and 2006 to allow the opposition to gain a majority to hold a no confidence vote. Professor, I did not understand the fanatical claims of many of my fellow GOP when they claimed that Mr. Clinton petty corruptions leading up to his felonies were the end of the Republic. Mr. Clinton was an embarrassment, not a threat. I understand even less the claims of Dems bitter from losing the 2000 election that Mr. Bush's subsequent ripping down of the Dem post Watergate unconstitutional limits on presidential powers represent the end of the Republic. The Republic managed to flourish for two centuries while Presidents exercised their full powers prior to these post Watergate "reforms."
There is enough to be upset about that people who are less desirous of constitutional change than you can take your statements as not too excessive.
Nor does is the system compelled to work this way any more than it was compelled to deny rights to blacks in the 1950s. We will have bad leaders. It is not in bad taste to firmly denounce them and be upset when not enough is done against them. The system INTENDS this. The source of criticism is ironic in a fashion since many of us think he has a view of what the C. means that isn't really quite what it means. Anyway, as to 2009. Many of us don't think the problem is only Bush and Cheney. The focus on them sometimes is excessive, honestly, since there is a claim that the system as is can't stop them adequately. This is not really a result of the Constitution as written. As with the days before the Civil Rights Era, it is in various ways a failure of will. W/o that will, you can change the C. in various ways, and we probably will still find ways to have problems. When Democratic frontrunners promote regime change in Iraq, we have a system defect ... but bad candidates will be with us in any system. Maybe, we need more amendments or a constitutional convention. We surely need one of those "constitutional moments" where "We the People" simply refuse to enable what is going on now. If we do, given our creativity over the years, any change won't stop the fire.
I thank Joe for his comment.
As to Mr. DePalma, I can only say that he appears to be either incapable of reading what I clearly write or, even worse, that he is willfully dishonest. I have made it as clear as I can that I do not advocate "a unitary parliamentary system" or the possibility of removing Mr. Bush by the vote of the newly elected Democratic Congress (and, even less do I support replacing a Republican President with a Democratic Speaker of the House, or vice versa).
"As with the days before the Civil Rights Era, it is in various ways a failure of will."
Precisely! Congress does not lack for tools to deal with President Bush! What it lacks is the will to confront him. This is a failure of political culture, not the Constitution. What you apparently want is a constitution which makes it so easy for the legislature to dominate the executive, that even this Congress, spineless by habit, and with a narrow, fragile majority, could do it. That, IMO, would be a dangerously unbalanced constitution. (I say "apparently" because I'm not entirely clear exactly what it is you want. Maybe you should try your hand at drafting a proposed constitution or package of amendments. It would clarify things greatly.) We have to wait for 2008, not just for Bush to be gone, but for another election to resolve the current legislative balance in one direction or the other. I'll have more to say, when I've had time to think about this. But I will say right now that I think the debate over amending the Articles of Confederation is a really bad analogy for our present circumstances, which even you seem to recognize.
Professor Levinson,
I think the comments thus far provide evidence that your theory, as expressed in your book, that opposition to a constitutional convention would come primarily from "liberals fearful of unleashing the beast" falls short of the reality. The need of authoritarians for the appearance of a strong executive dates back to the founding of this nation. They, please note, make up a sizable block of the electorate, and are represented by some comments here. For them such an activity would spike the fear that drives their political choices. Thus we may conclude that: 1. Liberals will fear throwing the baby out with the bath water in a constitutional re-write. 2. Conservatives, especially those from small states, would fight it tooth and nail. 3. Authoritarians would prefer to see a military coup than a constitutional convention. That leaves only a few of us to carry the effort and seems to me to make the smart money fall on the scenario involving some cataclysm even more profound than the 8 years of the Bush administration. It boggles the mind. Frankly, I'm willing, even eager, to help -- I think we passed the "design constraints" under which the constitution was originally designed a few decades before I was born -- but I must admit to a feeling of overwhelming pessimism.
I agree with c2h50h's comment, but would add that the additional issue of party goals would be superimposed on those issues, perhaps like multi-level checkers. So it would be difficult.
That said, it's important that US citizens engage in mental exercises modifying the structural framework. Probability seems difficult to grasp (or at least to frame in nicely-sized rhetorical bites) so I'd suggest a more mundane metaphor: we don't continue using defective designs, be they for cars or bridges. We re-engineer them. So here, refusing to tinker with a flawed design ensures nothing but another failure down the line. Whether it is a small or large failure is a question of chance. And that's no way to run a country.
I think Brett makes a powerful point. This is hardly a Congress that has tried and failed to confront the President due to structural limitations.
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