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Monday, March 26, 2007
Who's "the Decider"?
Marty Lederman
The Attorney General is now in hot(ter) water because he assured the public two weeks ago that he had very little to do with choosing U.S. Attorneys to be dismissed, and now it turns out that just prior to the dismissals, he convened meetings devoted to that very subject.
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I agree with jao. Gonzales' apparent lying (not dissembling) has destroyed his credibility. As a righty blogger recently put it: "Doesn't Gonzales have some family obligations to attend to?" He needs to resign forthwith.
The Bushies are inept at political damage control. Either take the Reagan route and take responsibility for the firings (the course I suggested) or take the Clinton route and have everyone simultaneously suffer from memory failure.
"If this were the true story, it would demonstrate atrocious judgment on the part of the Attorney General, and would be much more troubling than the fact that he dissembled a bit in a press conference about the level of his own involvement."
WHAT???? "dissembled a BIT?" He lied completely! He said he was not part of "any discussions". And you think that the Attorney General obstructing justice is not worse than simple incompetence? You really dropped the ball on this one Marty. I expect better analysis on this web site.
Bart wrote: "Either take the Reagan route and take responsibility for the firings (the course I suggested) or take the Clinton route and have everyone simultaneously suffer from memory failure."
I may be missing something - didn't reagan claim not to remember vital information when questioned during the Iran-Contra affair?
I think John DiIulio, the former head of Bush's Office of faith-based initiatives, really said it perfectly:
"What you got is everything, and I mean everything, being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis." Now we are starting to find out just how true that is.
bitswapper said...
Bart wrote: "Either take the Reagan route and take responsibility for the firings (the course I suggested) or take the Clinton route and have everyone simultaneously suffer from memory failure." I may be missing something - didn't reagan claim not to remember vital information when questioned during the Iran-Contra affair? Actually, the comparison which I was making was to Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers. No political CYA spin. Reagan got in front of the nation and told everyone that he was doing the firing and why. Your reference, I believe, was to Mr. Reagan's confusion at an interview after the Iran Contra story broke. I would suggest that this confusion arose from the onset of the early stages of Alzheimers and that most of this operation was intentionally kept from the President. An old OSS hand, Casey knew how to create plausible deniability with compartmentalized operations. Even in this case, when the President was fully apprised of the operation, he got on TV and took responsibility. Mr. Bush could take a page from Reagan here.
Iran-Contra is a combination of two separate scandals -- illegal sale of arms to Iran in exchange for hostages, and diversion of the proceeds to the Contras in an attempt to circumvent Congress's power of the purse.
I will concede it is possible that the diversion of the proceeds may have taken place on a dont ask-don't tell basis to maintain plausible deniability. (Whether this shows the Reagan Administration to have been a model of honesty is a different question). But I don't think there can be any denying that President Reagan approved the arms for hostages exchange, despite a law forbidding arms sales to Iran, and then lied about his motives and kept lying until the pretense could no longer be maintained.
Professor Lederman: I wonder if you'd care to comment on the legal authority for the House or Senate, under Congress's "inherent contempt" authority, to send the Sergeant-at-Arms (presumably accompanied by members of the Capitol Police force) to arrest and detain Administration officials (such as Karl Rove or Harriet Miers) if they refuse to appear in response to a Congressional subpoena ad testificandum, or if they fail to produce documents in response to a Congressional subpoena duces tecum?
Seems to me this would be a way to shortcut the "at least a year" that you suggest it would take to work its way through the federal courts -- i.e., the prospect of sitting shackled to a radiator in a sunless, asbestos-ridden room in the sub-basement of the United States Capitol and denied his daily morning breakfact of one dozen Krispy Kreme donuts might serve as a powerful inducement for Karl to be a little more cooperative. And if he still proved intransigent, surely I can't be the only one who would find the irony of a Bush Administration official having to resort to a petition for a writ of habeas corpus for his freedom to be a thing of ineffable beauty...
"Bart" DePalma:
... or take the Clinton route and have everyone simultaneously suffer from memory failure. You misspelled "Libby". Cheers,
EL:
But I don't think there can be any denying that President Reagan approved the arms for hostages exchange... Reagan admitted this and apologized. ...and then lied about his motives and kept lying until the pretense could no longer be maintained. How do you know what his motives were and that he lied about them? Trading arms (even the defective Army surplus we sent to Iran) for hostages was a bone headed idea. It undermined the no negotiations with terrorists stand which Reagan started and pretty much followed. On the other hand, I thought and still do that Ollie North's idea that trading defective surplus to Iran for triple market value and then supplying the Nicarguan rebels was indeed a "neat idea" which screwed our enemies in Iran and Nicaragua in one fell swoop.
On the other hand, I thought and still do that Ollie North's idea that trading defective surplus to Iran for triple market value and then supplying the Nicarguan rebels was indeed a "neat idea" which screwed our enemies in Iran and Nicaragua in one fell swoop.
It was also illegal, both the arms sale and the diversion of the proceeds. And it was an attempt to get around what is supposed to be Congress's ultimate power, the power of the purse. You (and Yoo) always argue that Congress can always win a showdown with the executive because the power of the purse trumps all else; Congress can always defund an entire executive operation. Well, in Nicaragua Congress used its power of the purse to do just that, and you applaud the President for his cleverness in getting around it. Perhaps I should take your assurance that the power of the purse is supreme with a grain of salt.
Oh, "Bart" probably thinks that Dubya could sell the White House to the Sultan of Brunei for a guest house if he thought he needed the money for his war on Terra-ism....
Cheers,
Enlightened Layperson said...
On the other hand, I thought and still do that Ollie North's idea that trading defective surplus to Iran for triple market value and then supplying the Nicarguan rebels was indeed a "neat idea" which screwed our enemies in Iran and Nicaragua in one fell swoop. It was also illegal, both the arms sale and the diversion of the proceeds. Really? The special prosecutor seems to have missed these violations of law. And it was an attempt to get around what is supposed to be Congress's ultimate power, the power of the purse. You (and Yoo) always argue that Congress can always win a showdown with the executive because the power of the purse trumps all else; Congress can always defund an entire executive operation. Well, in Nicaragua Congress used its power of the purse to do just that, and you applaud the President for his cleverness in getting around it. To start, the plan to fleece the Iranians and funnel the money to the Contras was Ollie North's. Reagan had no part in the operation. Next, Congress did indeed defund the Contras. However, North did not use any Congressional funding in this operation. Instead, he sold old decommissioned TOW I missiles to raise the money. The Boland Amendment did not address this possibility. As an aside, we occasionally practiced with the TOW I when I served with the 82d Airborne between 83 and 86. These missiles were almost universally unusable. They would either not fire or would spin off into the air. North well and truly screwed the Iranians by selling them this trash. To add insult to injury, North managed to convince the Iranians over a period of months to pay far more then the market value for workable TOW missiles. Like I posted, it was a neat idea.
Next, Congress did indeed defund the Contras. However, North did not use any Congressional funding in this operation. Instead, he sold old decommissioned TOW I missiles to raise the money. The Boland Amendment did not address this possibility.
As Bart would say ::sigh.:: To take an example of where this approach could lead us, you (and Yoo) have said FISA's warrant requirements are unconstitutional, but Congress can always stop warrantless wiretapping by defunding the NSA. Needless to say, the NSA has enough important and legitimate intelligence gathering functions that such an action is out of the question. But suppose Congress called your bluff and defunded the NSA. Suppose, then that a "rogue" operative in the Bush Administration found some other source of funding that kept the NSA alive without using any Congressional funds. Would that also rate as a "neat idea"?
Bart,
Oh, and by the way, you are an advocate of the President, as the sole elective executive official, maintaining full control of the executive branch. How does Col. North undertaking so important an operation without consulting the President and Casey creating "compartmentalized operations" to keep the President out of the loop fit in here?
"Bart" DePalma just makes sh*te up if such lies will help his "case":
Instead, he sold old decommissioned TOW I missiles to raise the money. They were Hawk missiles. And not "decommissioned". There's a lot more to Iran-Cntra than "Bart" will admit. There was a reason that Ollie and Fawn were having a shredding party. Scienter, as they say. Just the same kind of thing that's going to bite Gonzales in the ass. It's the coverup. Why? Because the coverup shows you knew you were a crook. Cheers,
"Bart" DePalma:
As an aside, we occasionally practiced with the TOW I when I served with the 82d Airborne between 83 and 86. These missiles were almost universally unusable. They would either not fire or would spin off into the air. North well and truly screwed the Iranians by selling them this trash. To add insult to injury, North managed to convince the Iranians over a period of months to pay far more then the market value for workable TOW missiles. Like I posted, it was a neat idea..... Well ... maybe it would have been (in your eyes at least) ... if it were TRUE! FWIW, the TOW missiles to Iran came from Israel ... under the tacit agreement that we'd replenish Israel's supply of TOWs. Are you suggesting, dear "Bart", that Reagan was busy screwing the Israelis?!?!? Cheers,
"enlightened layperson"
Oh, and by the way, you are an advocate of the President, as the sole elective executive official, maintaining full control of the executive branch. How does Col. North undertaking so important an operation without consulting the President and Casey creating "compartmentalized operations" to keep the President out of the loop fit in here? One of the problmes with selling the Hawk missiles to Iran was that such sales needed a written presidential authorisation beforehand. They realised this afterwards and then got the "paperwork" done "retroactively", in violation of the law. Poindexter destroyed the document later to avoid embarrassment. See above link. Cheers,
Enlightened Layperson:
I was referring to the diversion of the proceeds to the Contras. Well, that too. Cheers,
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