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Tuesday, March 27, 2007
"The Seach for Objectivity in Constitutional Law"
Brian Tamanaha
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So, postmodernism was insinuated in Constitutional studies already at the height of modernism in the forties? Interesting - really, as a cultural phenomenon beyond the law itself.
I guess y'all do pay attention to science and philosophy.
"Are we fated to remain stuck in place on this issue?"
Yeah, pretty much; The non-lawyer community can't accept a judiciary which both rejects objectivity, AND is unelected, because that combination renders democracy a joke. While the legal community can't bring itself to believe that objectivity is possible, because it would then have no excuse not to aspire to it, and finds becoming (Again?) "mere umpires" too degrading. The two ways this could be resolved are by the public finally agreeing that judicial objectivity is impossible, and responding by abolishing judicial tenure, and subjecting judges to the elections anybody holding a "political" position has to face in a democracy. Or the legal community could decide that being an "umpire" isn't really that degraded a status, and suddenly find that objectivity isn't impossible after all.
Brett:
The two ways this could be resolved are by the public finally agreeing that judicial objectivity is impossible, ... Send 'em all to law school. That cured my of my delusions. Cheers,
Brett:
Or the legal community could decide that being an "umpire" isn't really that degraded a status, and suddenly find that objectivity isn't impossible after all. You obviously don't know much about other legal systems. Those in France, for instance, allow judges to call their own wisnesses and ask their own facts. All in all, the judiciary in the United States does shy away from intervention, considerably more than in many places, and I think you should be happy with what you've got, considering that judges are irrevocably human (and thankfully so, as well, I should add). "To err is human. To really foul things up, you need a computer." There is wisdom there, Brett. Think about it. Cheers,
Aside from the typos, "facts" should be "questions". And I haven't even had a drop yet..... ;-)
Cheers,
Sure, judges are only human. So are baseball umpires. Maybe you'd like to think about THAT.
Humans will never be capable of perfect objectivity, but who's going to more closely approximate it? Somebody who's at least trying, or somebody who rejects the very posiblity?
arne:
Send 'em all to law school. That cured my of my delusions. :::chuckle::: Did you ever practice law or did you run screaming from the halls of law school to practice an honest profession like a couple of my friends?
"Bart" DePalma [to me]:
Did you ever practice law or did you run screaming from the halls of law school to practice an honest profession like a couple of my friends? I'd consider telling you again if I thought it would actually make a difference. But I'd also note that someone with even minimal competency and two brain cells wouldn't have to ask ... again. You know, "Bart", this is very emblematic of your problem here. You sent way too much time talking and way too little time listenting. Cheers, Cheers,
Brett:
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Somebody who's at least trying, or somebody who rejects the very posiblity?... There's such a thing as "trying too hard". You might succeed in convincing yourself (particularly if you're some bright luminary in your own mind and thus not susceptible to the foibles and limitations of the rest of us mortals) that you're winning. Recognising our limitations and understanding them is sometimes the most honest way to proceed. A faux "objectivity" can be more damaging for its "certainty"; it will not admit to error (kind of like Dubya and Rice and Cheney). Cheers,
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