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Friday, March 16, 2007

Intended to be hurtful

Andrew Koppelman

I promised in my previous post to say something about the hurt to gay people of the discrimination that would be permitted if, as I advocate, religious objectors are exempted from laws banning discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

It is possible for gay people and conservative Christians to live together, each following their own deepest allegiances. But the coexistence that this entails will necessarily be painful for both. The only way to achieve comfort for either would be to make the other disappear or pretend to disappear. Because that is not appropriate, there is no good way to prevent this kind of hurt.

There will be times when it is indeed necessary to silence one of the parties to this dispute: when there is a likelihood that the speech will involve an abuse of power, or when there is an unusually vulnerable audience. But when neither of these is present, the law, and more generally those wielding power in our society, should try to contain the tension between the two views, rather than trying to silence either.

The difficulty of achieving such coexistence is starkly presented in Peterson v. Hewlett-Packard Co., in which the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal of a claim of religious discrimination.

Richard Peterson had been an employee of Hewlett-Packard’s office in Boise, Idaho for more than twenty years when his dispute with his employer arose. The company, as part of a workplace diversity campaign, began displaying “diversity posters” that included supportive descriptions of the company’s gay workers. Peterson, who described himself as a “devout Christian,” thought that he had a duty “to expose evil when confronted with sin.” He responded to the posters by placing biblical verses on an overhead bin in his work cubicle, in type large enough to be visible to passersby, which included coworkers and customers. Among these was the following passage from Leviticus 20:13: “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be put upon them.”

Hewlett-Packard had an anti-harassment policy that prohibited “[a]ny comments or conduct relating to a person’s . . . sexual orientation . . . that fail to respect the dignity and feeling [sic] of the individual.” Peterson’s supervisor removed the materials from his cubicle, and in the next several days he attended a series of meetings with managers. The Biblical passages, he explained, were “intended to be hurtful. And the reason [they were] intended to be hurtful is you cannot have correction unless people are faced with truth.” He expressed his hope that gay co-workers who read the passages “would repent (change their actions) and experience the joys of being saved.”

Peterson refused to take down his Bible verses unless Hewlett-Packard took down its posters. Hewlett-Packard gave him time off with pay to reconsider his position, but when he returned to work, he posted the verses again and refused to remove them. He was fired for insubordination. His suit for religious discrimination was rejected on summary judgment in federal district court. The Ninth Circuit affirmed.

As a legal matter, the courts certainly got it right: Peterson was not subjected to discrimination on the basis of religion, and Hewlett-Packard had the right to fire him. And yet, I wonder whether firing him was the most appropriate course of action for Hewlett-Packard. In light of its diversity campaign, Peterson was obviously an outlier, someone whose views did not represent those of the company. Judge Reinhardt, writing for the Ninth Circuit, placed considerable weight on “Peterson’s intention that his postings be ‘hurtful,’” and concluded that an employer need not “permit an employee to post messages intended to demean and harass his co-workers.”

Circuit Judge Reinhardt’s view is far too conclusory. He presumes that it is never appropriate, in civil society, for someone to say things that he knows to be hurtful to others. But this conclusion is morally and politically loaded. It presumes that none of us need to hear things that will hurt us.

Reinhart’s argument draws its power from the analogy with racism: people should not be subjected to ideologies that demean them. In the same way that racism has no legitimate place in the public sphere, one might think that heterosexism should be eradicated. There is a powerful case to be made for the eradication of racism, to the extent that this can be done consistently with free speech guarantees—and of course such guarantees do not apply in the workplace. The First Amendment does not protect you from being fired for your opinions. But the gay rights issue is different. The racism analogy has some power; much of the antigay animus that exists in the United States is just like racism, in the virulence of the rage it bespeaks and the hatred that it directs toward those who are its objects. Not all antigay views, however, deny the personhood and equal citizenship of gay people. Certainly Peterson’s views did not do that. There is a serious discussion to be had here about sexuality and morality. Peterson’s views do not place him beyond the pale of civilized discussion.

It is a disputed question whether the specific hurtful things that Peterson had to say were sound enough to be worth hearing. It is a question about which the state properly ought to be agnostic. Our society’s most basic moral traditions are deeply divided about the proper answer to that question. We need to keep talking about it. The conversation is not always a pleasant experience. And it is fragile. It will shut down if either side uses its power to coerce the other to shut up. Gay people have been for a long time, and sometimes still are, subjected to just this kind of silencing.

Hewlett-Packard had enormous leverage over Peterson. It is not a light thing to fire someone from a job he has held for 20 years. This is the kind of sanction that is likely to drive dissenters into the closet. And, as gay people know so well, the closet is not a healthy place to be.

Comments:

"He presumes that it is never appropriate, in civil society, for someone to say things that he knows to be hurtful to others. But this conclusion is morally and politically loaded. It presumes that none of us need to hear things that will hurt us.

I think you're missing a distinction here: civil discourse in a public forum v. hurtful/religious speech in a workplace.

A workplace is not the *same* as public forum for the purpose of *free speech* (at least as far as I under stand it. It would be fine for this man to post these quotes allover his own home, in some other Public venue (like a public bulletin board open to ALL postings)...but to do this in the workplace is the distinction here.
 

Just to put things into the right context, a little paraphrase:

It is possible for blacks and southern white States-Rights people to live together, each following their own deepest allegiances. But the coexistence that this entails will necessarily be painful for both. The only way to achieve comfort for either would be to make the other disappear or pretend to disappear. Because that is not appropriate, there is no good way to prevent this kind of hurt.

Yeah, that's the ticket. "Can't we all just get alooooonnngggg...?"

No, Prof. Koppelman: There should be no religious exemption for bigotry of any kind. If we think that bigotry is unacceptable in society and pass laws against any actions motivated by such that are in our power to do, they should apply to all, for all types of bigotry, no exceptions.

Cheers,
 

The comparison between gay people and religious people here is facile, and the "closet" Peterson might have been forced into bears little relation to the one gays have experienced. Whatever privileges closeted gays have experienced, they have nothing analogous to the societal approval religious homophobes continue to enjoy.
 

Prof. Koppelman [from the post]:

It is a disputed question whether the specific hurtful things that Peterson had to say were sound enough to be worth hearing.

This is beside the point. HP has every right to make sure its employees work together in harmony, and if that means restricting certain activities not related to work within the workplace, there should be no problem. That is what they did. Despite Peterson's complaints of religious discrimination, their policy ban had nothing to do with that.

If they thought that "reasoned discussion of general moral issues" wasn't sufficiently bothersome to the work environment, or perhaps even to be encouraged, they could do that. But to ban his screaming 144 pt. type missives to his co-workers is harldy a discussion, and I can't believe you think it even bears a trace of reasonableness.

Hewlett-Packard had enormous leverage over Peterson. It is not a light thing to fire someone from a job he has held for 20 years. This is the kind of sanction that is likely to drive dissenters into the closet.

HP never told him to change his mind. They just told him to pipe down and STFU.

Your "closet" analogy is very offensive, BTW.

Cheers,
 

Prof. Koppelman:

It is a disputed question whether the specific hurtful things that Peterson had to say were sound enough to be worth hearing.
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Gay people have been for a long time, and sometimes still are, subjected to just this kind of silencing.


I think you are completely misconstruing the nature of homophobia, particularly historically, since gays weren't "silenced". That wasn't the punishment they endured if they were found (or even thought) to be gay. Really. Think about it for a second if you need.

Cheers,
 

I must confess some confusion on the part of this entry, which simultaneously says:

"Not all antigay views, however, deny the personhood and equal citizenship of gay people. Certainly Peterson’s views did not do that. There is a serious discussion to be had here about sexuality and morality. Peterson’s views do not place him beyond the pale of civilized discussion."

But it quotes the Old Testament verse posted conspicuously by Peterson: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be put upon them."

If slaughtering those engaging in homosexual conduct is not advocacy of something that would deny their personhood and equal citizenship, then what, if anything, would work such a denial?

It seems impossible to me that this Peterson is capable, as the entry claims, that his "views do not place him beyond the pale of civilized discussion", when he is quoting scripture prescribing the murder of homosexuals. And not, mind you, in the next world, but in this one.
 

There is a serious discussion to be had here about sexuality and morality.

I'm not at all sure what "serious discussion" you have in mind, but ordinarily the invocation of God's law shuts off discussion instead of encouraging it. And that seems to have been Peterson's point.

In addition, I find it odd to describe Peterson as having been fired based upon his religious beliefs. He was fired because he challenged company policy in a very public way in the workplace.
 

I share Cosim John Sayid's comments. Honestly, the statement referenced there is ridiculous. Likewise, there are numerous things that can very well be deemed "racism" and not violating the "equal citizenship" test, surely not in a crystal clear matter.

Per Mark Field, seems like religious acts are involved here. At the workplace, as others note, they can be and should be reasonably limited when they run counter to workplace needs.

This sort of thing is naive and not very productive. I'm sorry.
 

Andrew, you commit the fallacy of slippery slope. The Judge specifically stated "in the workplace," but you slide into "all situations."

In every workplace of mine, no one is permitted any form of malignment of another employee unless it is specifically work-related. In that narrow context, the malignment is to be brought to a supervisor's or a manager's attention, not addressed between the respective employees.

The workplace is no one individual's soapbox for whatever screed is today's fashion. Conversations "on employee's time" is not any of my business, and is not under a manager's perogative, but any conversation within the workplace that diminishes team spirit and mutual regard to succeed mutually and cooperatively in our respective competences, is!

Do not confuse the open dialogue in academia (as an estimable objective) with the same in the workplace. Academia is not commerce, industry, or trade. When the latter are involved, speech must serve the commercial interests of the employer, and any behavior, including speech, that maligns another employee is expressly prohibited. What is said and done "after hours" is another matter. My employees understood the difference, and why it was important.

Re-read your comments, and re-introduce "within the workplace" and see if you come to the same conclusion?
 

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