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Thursday, March 29, 2007
Accountability and the Renegade Executive
Scott Horton
Normally, I begin my remarks by saying "Ladies and Gentlemen." But here I'm not sure that's quite the right salutation. On my way down from New York to Charlotte to Memphis to Oxford, Mississippi today, passing over the freshly verdant Appalachians and then down the valley of the Tennessee River to the Mississippi Delta, I read the first chapters of William Faulkner's novel, Sanctuary - it takes placed in a bucolic college town named Jefferson - a town which is remarkably like this one. And there towards the end of Chapter III, I ran across this scrap:
Comments:
In view of the repetion our society has of tottering over the brink... the McCarthy era, Vietnam, and now declared expansion of empire with the Iraq invasion and the premptive war doctrine... there must be something else, some underlying motive, to explain the enthousiatic embrace of such policies.
Hitler wanted to corrupt minds and he may well have suceeded. The comparison of today's horror with the "total horror" of a coldly planned, carried out extermination, first of political enemies, then the "inferior races," gyspies were included with jews, is now deemed more acceptable than the "total horror" and no longer provokes the indignation it should or would have before. If society were not receptive would such ideas take root? Can an expanding military empire function in any other manner? They never have in the past, so surely we are in urgent need of introspection which is not our national pastime.
"It's telling that the current scandal began with a secret change in the Patriot Act. Unbeknownst to those who should have run the process, including Senator Specter, then the chair of the Judiciary Committee, a provision was slipped in at the last minute ... "
The very fact that a bill CAN be secretly changed prior to being voted on, and the members voting on it, let alone the general public, will have no way of knowing before it becomes law, indicates that there's something radically broken in the legislative process. A problem which is logically and historically prior to the executive branch problems being complained of here. Representative democracy is a joke when legislative leaders can arrange for the members to vote on legislation without having had access to the text. The President didn't seize the power to appoint without confirmation by main force, he was given it, and he was given it because the administration of Congress was already corrupt.
while i agree with you, brett, that the the administration of congress may have been corrupt in this process, as somebody had the responsibility to fully vet legislation before members of congress voted on it, i would be more inclined to modify this by saying that the administration of congress in this matter was inept and incompentent in the failure to read vital legislation before it, so as to bring it to the point of corruption by its very incompetence.
this having been said, somebody, most likely the administration or their lackeys in the legislature, slipped the offending provisions into the legislation knowing it would not be fully vetted and understood prior to voting. that is pure corruption.
"as somebody had the responsibility to fully vet legislation before members of congress voted on it, "
"Somebody"? I'm quite sure that "somebody" DID fully vet the damned legislation. Several somebodies, probably. The problem is that 435-n, where n is in the single digits, somebodies were deliberately denied any chance to vet it. The idea that it's ok to force members to vote on legislation they have no way of knowing the contents of, as long as somebody has looked at it, is exactly the problem here. Look, I'm not saying that we don't have a problem in the executive branch, a problem which has been growing worse for decades. (And which I fully expect to be even worse during the next administration, whether or not a Democrat is elected, unless fundamental reforms happen.) But the Constitution is a conscious design for legislative supremacy. The President has not seized power by main force, he's been given it. By the legislature. It's a mistake of the first order to think that the problem is Bush. The problem is that the legislative process is broken. It's broken in a way which is hurting us in too many ways to list here, of which growing executive usurpation of power is only one. Let's fix the root cause.
DUDE! Scott Horton was at Ole Miss this week, and I didn't hear about it?
Damn. I would've driven up from Jackson. --On Brett's excellent point, I like the idea from a while back that every proposed bill be legally required, after its final emendation & a week or two before passage, to be posted on the internet. Between the Josh Marshalls and the PowerLines of the blogosphere, I think we would learn a great deal about obscure provisions before the vote.
Scott:
I am curious about the nature of discourse at our law schools these days. Did the law school provide a counterpoint to your speech or were you speaking to the academic choir? Part of the fun of being one of the Federalists in law school was ensuring that every speech from the left had a counterpoint speech from the right / libertarian view. Sometimes, the professors would be kind enough to participate in debates with speakers we invited. It was nearly impossible to have an intramural debate across the ideological divide among our own professors. I was aware of only one moderately conservative professor. The rest ranged from center-left to unreformed Marxists. We found our lone conservative professor through the process of elimination trying to secure a sponsor for our Federalist group. Thankfully, the student body was not nearly so slanted. By the time I became a 3L, we had almost 50 members in the Federalists compared to about 20 for ACLU. I think our parties were more fun. Fond memories.
Prof Horton [from the post]:
ut the mantra of the current administration is to frustrate all efforts to hold it to account, to grant itself immunity for its crimes, to strip courts of jurisdiction, including even the great writ. This sneaks into the "rationale" advanced by the likes of Scalia as to why the Eleventh Amendment supposedly says precisely what it does not say: That states don't have to wnaswer for their actions in federal courts to any suit, even by their own citizens, unless they want to (and why would they want to?). The king is dead ... but long live the king. We have our "sovereigns" and they don't have to answer if they don't want to. Wasn't my understanding of what that kerfluffle two and a quater centuries ago was all about, but who am I to know? Cheers,
You sound like Grover Norquist wanting to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. Why does that not surprise me? Still on the kool-aid, huh, Brett? It's important to remember that the bad apples with the worms are neither conservative nor Republican. Neither that movement nor that party exists in D.C. anymore and it hasn't for some time. There is them, and us.
Neoconservative radicalism has reshaped our political spectrum U.S. attorney scandal update: Who's to blame for those alarming Patriot Act revisions? (...) Now, it's not necessarily outrageous that Sen. Specter didn't know what his subordinate slipped into the legislation. The Patriot Reauthorization was a long and hotly debated bill. While one might hope that the committee chairman would have read the legislation, you can understand that he might skip a clause or two in the melee. But this was not some minor technical amendment. It was a substantial enhancement of executive power. So, Specter now finds himself in an exceedingly strange position: His staff either lied to him or misled him about what he acknowledges to be a significant legal change. He himself observed at that same hearing: "I did not slip it in and I do not slip things in. That is not my practice. If there is some item which I have any idea is controversial I tell everybody about it." So, Specter concedes that the item is controversial. He denies knowing about it. That implies it was O'Neill who slipped the new language in, and misled Specter and the Senate. And yet, at least as far as I can tell, nobody in power has said a word about O'Neill's conduct, and not one iota of blame has been laid at his doorstep. Joe Conason noted in Salon last month that 1) O'Neill is a former Clarence Thomas clerk, and 2) he joined Specter's staff at the same time Specter was fighting accusations of being wobbly in his fealty to the White House. The Justice Department has been quite clear that this change was needed to do away with judicial incursions into an executive function: They felt it improper that judges were effectively making executive-branch appointments. And it now seems that either the DOJ snookered O'Neill, O'Neill snookered Specter, or Specter snookered his colleagues. But any way you slice it, the executive seems to have encroached on congressional turf in order to expand executive turf. Whether Specter actually knew that O'Neill was carrying water for Karl Rove and turned a blind eye, or whether he was duped by O'Neill may never be known. But either way, it seems to me that Specter's office has done terrible damage to the very notion of independent and co-equal branches of government in this affair, and has yet to be called to account for it. Given that respect and esteem for co-equal independent branches of government is one of the senator's sacred cows, it's doubly ironic that no one has questioned him on this. It's a good thing that the ousted U.S. attorneys will testify before the House and the Senate. It will clear up a good deal of confusion about the Justice Department's claim that there was something wrong with their job performance. But it seems to me that that's precisely 50 percent of the scandal here. And there are some other folks deserving of subpoenas as well. Mr. O'Neill and Mr. Tolman spring to mind. The outrage isn't merely that the Justice Department abused its power to hire and fire. The real scandal is that it rewrote federal laws to do so, yet nobody seems to know who did it or why.
"Bart" DePalma:
The rest ranged from center-left to unreformed Marxists. We found our lone conservative professor through the process of elimination trying to secure a sponsor for our Federalist group. Keeping in mind that to "Bart", everyone left of Scalia is a CommieSympIslamofascist traitor, I'd note that when they needed an advisor for the Federalist Society at Boalt (of which, in the interest of full disclosure, I was actually the treasurer of the student chapter ... long story; I was trying to keep a watch on 'em and keep 'em honest), we got John Yoo. 'Nuff said. Cheers,
"Bart" DePalma:
By the time I became a 3L, we had almost 50 members in the Federalists compared to about 20 for ACLU. I think our parties were more fun. Is that why you don't know basic civil procedure and you think that Brown II says what it does not say? At least at Boalt, I pushed to make sure the funds went to academic endeavours. I will grant the Federalist Society their due; they did put on events with two sides presented (although many, like Lilllian BeVier, David Sentelle, and Michael Greve, went unopposed). I tried to push for events that would present people on both sides ... for reasons that should be obvious to those familiar whith what I say here. That being said, "Bart", why don't you try to engage in actual and honest discourse with your opponents here? Cheers,
Defense Secretary Robert Gates testifying before Congress on Guantanamo Bay: "Is there a way statutorily to address the concerns about some of these people who really need to be incarcerated forever but that doesn't get them involved in a judicial system where there is the potential of them being released, frankly?" Reuters News Report
How has our nation gotten to a point where a cabinet member would sincerely ask such a question?
What disturbs me most about this is that it confirms what I have been thinking about corruption in the Bush Administration. Corruption in the usual sense and the old fashioned sense of "rot." This administration is rotting because for years its belief in its own infallibility has not been checked.
As we all know the Constitution is about checks and balances. The Constitution was, in my view, put in place to stop exactly the kind of abuses the Executive branch has committed over the past six years at least. The problem is that the system has not worked because the legislature simply abdicated its power to the executive. Power corrupts and because of their power the Executive has become corrupt. The reason power corrupts gives us guidance as to why this administration has become corrupt. Corruption can be defined as moral depravity. Moral depravity can be defined as doing what one wants because one can, without consideration for the morality of the act. Power allows one the ability to do what you want and allows one to avoid the consequences. The temptation is simply too great. I believe that to this day Bush, Cheney et al. believe they are right. They want to take the actions they deem necessary. Until now they have been able to take those actions with impunity. They have ignored the morality of the actions because they believed the actions were in some sense in the country's best interest. Therefor they have become corrupt by taking actions that in any other circumstance they would recognize as immoral. They took those actions because they could. Our founding fathers recognized that governments have a general tendency, if left unchecked, to tyranny and corruption. They intended the Constitution as a protection against those conditions by dividing the power bases within government so that the branches would battle each other and check each other from gaining too much power. When two branches join each other against the third, the balance tips too far. In the McCarthy era which spilled over into Vietnam, fear (at that time fear of communist domination of the world)generated the necessary alliances that pushed us toward the abyss. In this era fear again (of international terrorism and radical Islam)has pushed us toward the abyss. Roosevelt was right, all we have to fear is fear itself.
quitealarmed:
How has our nation gotten to a point where a cabinet member would sincerely ask such a question? Good question. How did we get to the point where the military is reluctant to try prisoners of war as war criminals or to bring prisoners of war into our country because they are worried that the judiciary might release the back into the world to continue their wanton butchery? The military has never faced such a judiciary in the over 200 years this Republic has existed.
This speech illustrates perfectly why Bush can't possibly fire Gonzales. He would have to appoint a successor the Democrats would approve. And no successor the Democrats approve is likely to tolerate the rot that has grown in the Justice Department. A really honest AG might even expose it.
Bush is hanging onto Gonzales for dear life.
QuiteAlarmed, were you commenting on how miserable you think the U.S. justice system is, or how miserable you think our cabinet secretaries are?
Myself, I think your anecdote supports the latter. Secretary Gates evidently thinks that we KNOW certain people are too awful to keep prisoner, but fears that the courts will set them loose. Bearing in mind the appellate process, trial by jury, etc. The only way that begins to make sense if if the "evidence" consists of confessions that would be inadmissible because they were extracted by torture. In which case, who's to blame -- the courts, or the torturers? And how have we come to the point where that question even has to be asked?
Am I the only one here who finds it disturbing that being "conservative" these days is identified with favoring warrantless wiretaps, unlimited executive power and torture?
Bart:
How did we get to the point where the military is reluctant to try prisoners of war as war criminals ... ? The string of epithets that I vented on that statement. What can I say but to call such a misrepresentation a lie, and the liar scum? The whole damn point of the conversation is that the administration does not want to try the prisoners as war criminals. It does not want to call them POWs, it does not want to put them on trial, it does not want to abide by international and American standards for trying war criminals. All of which Bart has been supporting until this very statement. We have a model for trying war criminals: Nuremberg. We did not torture them. We gave them lawyers. We presented the evidence before them. We had public trials. In short, we used the traditional panel of judges from European (and American court martial) proceedings. We applied the law to them in the same way that we were demanding that they had the responsibility to apply to others. That is what is being avoided by the current administration. What "liberals" want is exactly to try them as war-criminals. What the administration wants is to administratively, and not judicially, condemn men to a black hole forever. And that is against the international convention on human rights, and the very legitimacy of our current hegemony. Back to English common law (Bart's star chamber adage), we have known that administrative incarceration and punishment is tantamount to tyranny. Of course, Bart fears that his masters don't actually have evidence of war-crimes, so what he wants is a show-trial, just like his role-models in the old Soviet Union would do. So Bart proves again the old adage: if you want to know what the right is doing, just look at what they accuse the left of.
H. Haler: I offered Secretary Gates' quote because it is appallingly Kafkaesque. In a freedom-loving nation that once embraced sayings such as "better a thousand guilty men go free....", such reasoning should be anathema. And, frighteningly, Secretary Gates is probably one of the better cabinet members in this Administration.
RandomSequence said...
Bart: How did we get to the point where the military is reluctant to try prisoners of war as war criminals ... ? The string of epithets that I vented on that statement. What can I say but to call such a misrepresentation a lie, and the liar scum? I suggest you calm down. You will live longer. For example, I just ignored the above epithets as I do the others thrown at me as if they were arguments. The whole damn point of the conversation is that the administration does not want to try the prisoners as war criminals. Really? Exactly why then did the military with the assistance of Justice set up an elaborate military commission system ready to try many of the prisoners until the Court told Congress to do it all over again in the Hamdad decision. The fact is that the military has been prepared to start these military commissions for years and have been stopped by litigation from the outset. Politically, don't you think that the Bushies would have loved to try the captured al Qaeda leaders before the 2006 elections to demonstrate that these scum can and are being brought to justice? It does not want to call them POWs. These prisoners are not POWs under the Geneva Conventions, only in a generic sense. The military has to call them detainees in order to keep opponents from using the juvenile tactic of saying: "See the Adminsitration admitted that they are POWs and refuses to give them the rights of POWs." On the other hand, I don't give a damn about juvenile tactics and use the generic term prisoners of war for these captures because it correctly describes their status as wartime prisoners. ...it does not want to abide by international and American standards for trying war criminals. You are correct about the former but not the latter. We have correctly rejected the unworkable EU standards for treating wartime unlawful enemy combatants as civilian criminal defendants. However, the military has been following the American standards set by the President and then Congress for military commissions. We have a model for trying war criminals: Nuremberg. We did not torture them. We gave them lawyers. We presented the evidence before them. We had public trials. That was the model for trying lawful combatants from a nation state for war crimes after we had won the war and were in physical possession of all the evidence. We are now attempting to try unlawful enemy combatants from terrorist gangs while the war is still going on and the enemy has physical control of much of the evidence and we are relying upon active intelligence sources necessary to fight the war for evidence in these cases. Different rules for fundamentally different circumstances. Back to English common law (Bart's star chamber adage), we have known that administrative incarceration and punishment is tantamount to tyranny. Hardly. The English and American practice was to hold prisoners of war for the duration of the conflict and to execute unlawful enemy combatants. There is nothing tyrannical about either option. These are the centuries old practices of the world's oldest democratic systems. Of course, Bart fears that his masters don't actually have evidence of war-crimes, so what he wants is a show-trial, just like his role-models in the old Soviet Union would do. As I have posted here before, I personally would not try these captures now and instead hold them as prisoners of war for the duration of the war. If al Qaeda crumbles and we are no longer at war, then perhaps we would want to try some of these captures under more liberal rules ala Nuremburg. The only reason to try these men is to execute them. We are fighting a cult which worships death and executions would create martyrs. I say let them rot at Gitmo and be gradually forgotten. Then again, I am not the President answerable to a People who wants these mass murderers "brought to justice." However, if the miltary chooses to convene military commissions, it will be against the major players they have dead to rights. I have no doubt that the military has the goods on people like Khalid Sheik Muhammad. We have been rolling up their network and their records for years. The people in charge of these prosecutions have also been working under the spotlight and under scurrilous attacks for years. Unless they have evidence which would stand up under the statutory appeals and the scrutiny of those who want the terrorists released, the military prosecutors simply would not bring the cases.
Unless they have evidence which would stand up under the statutory appeals and the scrutiny of those who want the terrorists released, the military prosecutors simply would not bring the cases.
Good thing for them that they're not US attorneys, then.
Bart: The string of epithets that I vented on that statement. What can I say but to call such a misrepresentation a lie, and the liar scum?
I suggest you calm down. You will live longer. For example, I just ignored the above epithets as I do the others thrown at me as if they were arguments. Yeah, that's what they told Grandpa back in Berlin in '32 - don't get so excited, it'll all blow over. It's what they told my cousins in Chile and Argentina back in the early '70's. Sorry, from family experience, I will neglect your advice. Serious matters should be taken seriously and not treated as an intellectual exercise. We may not yet have arrived at '32, but the groundwork is being laid, and you are cooperating with it. Bart: We have a model for trying war criminals: Nuremberg. We did not torture them. We gave them lawyers. We presented the evidence before them. We had public trials. That was the model for trying lawful combatants from a nation state for war crimes after we had won the war and were in physical possession of all the evidence. Numerous of the detainees are from a nation-state we have defeated: Afghanistan. We have not divided them from those from neutral countries. There exists no intention to apply the Geneva Conventions were applicable. We have literally kidnapped innocent people and held them in secret prisons for months, or sent them to third-world hell-holes to be tortured. Disgusting - that is what you are defending, as the inevitable result of administrative "justice". Additionally, we are signatories to the International Covenant On Civil And Political Rights. It makes no distinction between classes of human beings, regarding the right to trial: it is an essential human right, and we have agreed to it; if you want to play the POW exception, you have to play that fully, but you don't get to pick and choose. If you want to change that, lobby congress to revoke our ratification; allow your true colors to show. I can't even respond to your sophistry regarding the phrase POW - you play with that word whenever it is convenient for you. Sometimes "generic" POW, sometimes "detainees". A classic propaganda play with words: “When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”
"Bart" DePalma:
The military has never faced such a judiciary in the over 200 years this Republic has existed. "Bombing begins in five mintes...." Fortunately for us all, the military is not of the same extreme opinions as is "Bart" (and the rest of the rabid RW foamers). And they know they have taken an oath to protect the Constitution, not the preznit. Cheers,
"Bart" DePalma:
I suggest you calm down. You will live longer. For example, I just ignored the above epithets as I do the others thrown at me as if they were arguments. Typo there. You reversed a couple words. "I just ignored the above arguments as I do the others thrown at me as if they were epithets." There, that's better. No charge. Cheers,
JT, I'm not terribly outraged that Spector might not know everything that was in a bill. Congress is pumping out legislation at a rate that's humanly impossible to keep up with, members HAVE to delegate to some extent, and if you delegate, you're eventually going to get screwed over by somebody you trusted.
I AM terribly outraged that Congress runs a system where it is impossible for virtually all members of Congress, and anybody at all outside of Congress, to know what's in a bill before it's voted on. Even if no one member could read the whole thing, they could have several teams go over each bill, and with the redundant eyes looking at it, the chance of being able to sneak something through would be negligable. Whether Specter was directly complicit in this specific instance of sneaking something into a bill is irrelevant. He's deeply complicit in maintaining a system designed to make sneaking things in easy.
"Bart" DePalma:
Really? Exactly why then did the military with the assistance of Justice set up an elaborate military commission system ready to try many of the prisoners until the Court told Congress to do it all over again in the Hamdad decision. False. At first, the maladministration just locked 'em all up and threw away the key. Then, in the Hamdi decision, the Supreme Court ruled in 2004 that a "citizen-detainee seeking to challenge his classification as an enemy combatant must receive notice of the factual basis for his classification, and a fair opportunity to rebut the Government's factual assertions before a neutral decisionmaker." In response, the U.S., instead of trying Hamdi or doing what the court said they should do, released him in hopes fo making the case go away and not getting an even more unfavourable result or publicity. Then came the Rasul decision, where the Supreme Court said that foreign nationals could contest the basis for their continuing detention in federal court. Then the maladministration, seeing the tides weren't turning their way, pushed for the DTA show trials in lieu of letting courts look at what they were doing. Then the Supreme Court handed down the Hamdan decision, striking down the show trials set up by the DTA. In response, the maladministration pushed through the MCA, whose legal status is still unresolved and will likely be challeneged in teh Supreme Court again. All this while, there was nothing preventing the maladministration from conducting the CSRTs mandated by the Geneva Conventions, and nothing preventing the use of courts martial for the prosecution of any alleged crimes by any of the detainees, including crimes against the laws of war. The maladministratio had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, every step of the way, and they continue to try and avoid by any means possible any review of their acts by any U.S. courts. The fact is that the military has been prepared to start these military commissions for years and have been stopped by litigation from the outset. That's utter bovine scat. Reality and "Bart" have filed for an uncotested, though unamicable divorce. Cheers,
"Bart" DePalma:
[randomsequence]: We have a model for trying war criminals: Nuremberg. We did not torture them. We gave them lawyers. We presented the evidence before them. We had public trials. That was the model for trying lawful combatants from a nation state for war crimes after we had won the war and were in physical possession of all the evidence. "We doan need no steeenkin' evidence...." Horrors, that someone might ask for some evidence. How absurd of them? But I'll accept your 'distinction' here, "Bart", that the maladministration doesn't have the evidence needed to prove guilt. I come to a slightly different conclusion as to the proper remedy for that, though. Don't look now, but your brown shirt is showing. Cheers,
"Bart" DePalma:
We are now attempting to try unlawful enemy combatants from terrorist gangs while the war is still going on and the enemy has physical control of much of the evidence.... "... but we know, it's there. In the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat...." Mygawd, why does "Bart" make himself so easy to skewer and roast? Cheers,
PMS_Chicago:
["Bart"]: Unless they have evidence which would stand up under the statutory appeals and the scrutiny of those who want the terrorists released, the military prosecutors simply would not bring the cases. Good thing for them that they're not US attorneys, then. ;-) Too deep for "Bart". You'll have to bring it down about ten grade levels before he catches on..... Cheers,
Bonnie Tamres-Moore said...
1have I somehow stumbled on to "Bartinization"? Once again, I have to apologize for my cyberstalker's spamming. Mr. Langsetmo has some sort of a fixation with me and feels the need to grace us with about five responses to each one of my posts and then throw in additional posts commenting on others replies to my posts. I am doing my best to ignore him so he will stop spamming, although I must admit to lapses where I do reply to his snide taunts. Forgive me but even this apology post will probably generate another five or so posts from Mr. Langsetmo.
"Bart" DePalma said:
Once again, I have to apologize for my cyberstalker's spamming. Mr. Langsetmo has some sort of a fixation with me and feels the need to grace us with about five responses to each one of my posts and then throw in additional posts commenting on others replies to my posts. I am doing my best to ignore him so he will stop spamming, although I must admit to lapses where I do reply to his snide taunts. Forgive me but even this apology post will probably generate another five or so posts from Mr. Langsetmo. Once again I have to apologise for the fact that "Bart" here posts so many inanities each and every day that his posts and the rebuttals thereof clog the threads. I've pointed out more than once that if "Bart" can limit himself to a single stoopid comment, miscite/misstatement of law, or factual error a day, I'll be able to limit my comments to one such as well. A review of the record will verify this. Cheers,
Bart writes:"I am doing my best to ignore him so he will stop spamming, although I must admit to lapses where I do reply to his snide taunts."
Arne's colorful writing taken into consideration, what's he doing doesn't even remotely qualify as spam. Maybe you should hang out at spam.abuse.net before you try that again.
I try to limit my responses to one per comment, compiling all of my objections into a single reply. It can be annoying sometimes to scroll through a thousand short "neener-neener-you're-a-weener" posts, even if it is occasionally deserved and/or entertaining.
I have to confess, though, that I occasionally want to adopt Arne's quotes around people's names, but to use them in person as airquotes. ((((dream sequence waves)))) INT. BEST BUY COMPUTER SECTION A SALESMAN approaches PMS and Glenda, wearing a bright nametag. SALESMAN Can I help you find something today? PMS (using airquotes) Sure, "Chad." I'm looking for an external drive enclosure. Do you think you have any, "Chad"? CHAD (looking perplexed) Um, yeah, over there by the stack of AOL trial discs. PMS Thanks, "Chad." (turning to Glenda) Doesn't "Chad" seem like a nice guy? ((((end dream sequence waves)))) I suppose it can be annoying to scroll through random out-of-format screenplay pieces, too. I promise to refrain in the future. :)
PMS_Chicago:
I try to limit my responses to one per comment. I do to. Can you prevail on "Bart" to limit his nonsense to one item per comment, and maybe we will all be a little happier? Cheers,
Brett... I AM terribly outraged that Congress runs a system where it is impossible for virtually all members of Congress, and anybody at all outside of Congress, to know what's in a bill before it's voted on.
Agreed. That is not what the founders envisioned. Arne, Keep on trucking. My scrolling finger is doing fine, and if it ever becomes disabled, due to your postings, I will have you represent me in my petition to have the government recognize scrolling finger syndrome as a legitimate disability.
If you took all of the credibility of every conservative and conservative apologist, rolled it into a ball, and placed it on the edge of a razor blade, it would look like a pea rolling down a four-lane highway.
There is a time for intelligent discussion on many issues along the conservative/liberal front, that time has long since past. To paraphrase Theoden: We will have peace, when you and all your works have perished. Even if this war is just- as it is not, for were you all ten times as wise you would have no right to rule others for your own profit as you desire-- even so, what will you say of your camps in Guantanamo, of the inhuman torturing of innocent men and women? Of the murder of children and thousands of others whose only crime was to be in the way of your desire for power. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, we will have peace with you. In other words, we should stop trying to debate with them and start throwing their asses out of office and when necessary into the slammer or in front of a firing squad.
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Books by Balkinization Bloggers
Andrew Koppelman and Tobias Barrington Wolff, A Right to Discriminate?: How the Case of Boy Scouts of America v. James Dale Warped the Law of Free Association (Yale University Press 2009)
Jack M. Balkin and Reva B. Siegel, The Constitution in 2020 (Oxford University Press 2009)
Heather K. Gerken, The Democracy Index: Why Our Election System Is Failing and How to Fix It (Princeton University Press 2009)
Mary Dudziak, Exporting American Dreams: Thurgood Marshall's African Journey (Oxford University Press 2008) Neil Netanel, Copyright's Paradox (Oxford Univ. Press 2008)
David Luban, Legal Ethics and Human Dignity (Cambridge Univ. Press 2007) Ian Ayres, Super Crunchers: Why Thinking-By-Numbers is the New Way to be Smart (Bantam 2007)
Jack M. Balkin, James Grimmelmann, Eddan Katz, Nimrod Kozlovski, Shlomit Wagman and Tal Zarsky, eds., Cybercrime: Digital Cops in a Networked Environment (N.Y.U. Press 2007)
Jack M. Balkin and Beth Simone Noveck, The State of Play: Law, Games, and Virtual Worlds (N.Y.U. Press 2006)
Andrew Koppelman, Same Sex, Different States: When Same-Sex Marriages Cross State Lines (Yale University Press 2006)
Brian Tamanaha, Law as a Means to an End (Cambridge University Press 2006)
Sanford Levinson, Our Undemocratic Constitution (Oxford University Press 2006)
Mark Graber, Dred Scott and the Problem of Constitutional Evil (Cambridge University Press 2006)
Jack M. Balkin, ed., What Roe v. Wade Should Have Said (N.Y.U. Press 2005)
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