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Thursday, December 28, 2006
“I don’t think the public would stand for it.”
Ian Ayres
When asked during his vice-presidential confirmation hearings about whether he would grant Nixon a pardon should he need one, Ford replied: "I don't think the public would stand for it."
Comments:
Jerry Ford was in a no win situation. Prosecuting Nixon would consume the rest of his Presidency or pardoning Nixon would make it very unlikely that he would be elected in his own right in 1976.
The pardon is a presidential power and responsibility. Ford could not constitutionally pawn this responsibility off on Congress. Nor would Congress have agreed to accept that responsibility in the 1974 election year. Ford was right when he observed that the public would not stand for the pardon. As a result of the pardon, the voters punished the GOP and elected a radically left Democrat congress in the 1974 elections. Then, two years later, the voters tossed out Ford for an unknown peanut farmer. Ford should have prosecuted Nixon. Instead, Ford and the GOP paid politically for Nixon's crimes.
" If both houses of congress passed the resolution, there would be no impropriety in Ford then granting the pardon."
No, some things are improper even if a majority of Congress votes for them. The Nixon pardon established a principle, still in place, that Presidents are above the law. Prosecuting Nixon would have underscored the point that we are all equal before the law.
So, the lawful trial of a former President on charges that forced him to resign would have been bad for the nation, while an impeachment trial of a sitting President, on charges that were so flimsy they could not even muster a simple majority in the Senate, let alone the two-thirds needed for removal, was somehow good for the nation.
Vince:
You have a point. Both men were felons beyond any reasonable doubt and should have been prosecuted and imprisoned. If Martha Stewart can do a few months for lying to the FBI, so could have Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton. There is nothing to celebrate about Ford's pardoning of the felon Nixon for political reasons any more than there was anything to celebrate about the not guilty votes in the Senate trial of Bill Clitnon when it was obvious he had committed at least two counts of felony perjury.
Henry, there are "felonies" and felonies; Some represent an effort to criminalize policy differences, and thus are appropriate fodder for impeachment, but not prosecution. Bush's "felonies" fall mostly into this catagory, and impeach away; I won't object. In fact, I'd be delighted to see the bar for impeachment lowered a bit, it might take the imperial presidency down a peg or two.
Some, however, are simply criminality of a conventional sort, or abuse of office for personal advantage, and should most assuredly be prosecuted in criminal court. Siccing the IRS on your enemies, arranging for malicious prosecutions or violations of privacy statutes for PR purposes, perjury, subornation of perjury, witness tampering, destruction of evidence, in the course of legal procedings concerning private behavior, are of this sort. Nixon and Clinton would have been appropriate to prosecute criminally. And impeach only to the extent that their crimes involved abuse of office, or demonstrated a lack of fitness for the same. Personally, since assuming the Presidency requires one to swear an oath of office, I regard any evidence that you have contempt for formal oaths as disqualifying in that sense.
Henry said...
Bart: There are felons and then there are felons. Some threaten our democracy, whereas others commit perjury in connection with a civil suit that involved conduct that occurred before his presidency. Both Nixon and Clinton committed the same type of felonies covering up a politically embarrassing episode. To paraphrase the old saying - its not the crime, its the coverup. Surely, then, you would support the impeachment of the incumbent for kidnapping (arresting with no intention to try) and torturing hundreds of people? I would if there was any evidence whatsoever of your alleged crime. The government is authorized to detain enemy combatants or their agents and interrogate them. Such detention is not kidnapping and, as we have beaten to death in the past, coercive interrogation is not torture. IMHO, if the President failed to detain and interrogate the enemy during a time of war, that would be a dereliction of duty as CiC so fundamental as to deserve impeachment.
Brett said...
Nixon and Clinton would have been appropriate to prosecute criminally. And impeach only to the extent that their crimes involved abuse of office, or demonstrated a lack of fitness for the same. I have to disagree with this defense offered by Mr. Clinton's supporters. There is a very good argument to be made that impeachment is the only sort of prosecution of the President allowed under the Constitution while he or she is in office. If you also hold that a President may only be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors which involve an abuse of his office, the President could then walk out on Pennsylvania Avenue and murder a dozen people without being subject to prosecution so long as he or she is in office. Perhaps I am being too much of a populist here, but I hold to the quaint notion that the President is subject to the same criminal laws as are the rest of us.
"There is a very good argument to be made that impeachment is the only sort of prosecution of the President allowed under the Constitution while he or she is in office."
Really? I must admit, I've never heard it. You would think that if the President were immune to prosecution during his term of office, it would be mentioned somewhere in the Constitution. After all, they saw fit to mention the rather more limited immunity members of Congress have while the legislature is in session.
Brett said...
BD: "There is a very good argument to be made that impeachment is the only sort of prosecution of the President allowed under the Constitution while he or she is in office." Really? I must admit, I've never heard it. You would think that if the President were immune to prosecution during his term of office, it would be mentioned somewhere in the Constitution. After all, they saw fit to mention the rather more limited immunity members of Congress have while the legislature is in session. I believe there is a court decision or two which has held that, because the only form of prosecution noted in the Constitution for a President is impeachment, then that is the only form permitted. I have not looked at this subject since the Clinton impeachment proceedings, but perhaps one of our resident Professors might know where to find these cases.
"Bart" DePalma:
There is nothing to celebrate about Ford's pardoning of the felon Nixon for political reasons any more than there was anything to celebrate about the not guilty votes in the Senate trial of Bill Clitnon when it was obvious he had committed at least two counts of felony perjury. "Asked and answered." Actually, pointed out by me repeatedly, and never responded to by "Bart": "Bart" continues to ignore the fact (as did Ken Starr and the RW foamer Republicans insistent of Clinton's blood) that perjury (18 USC § 1621 et seq.) involves three essential elements, only one of which "obviously" occured, and one of which -- the most studiously avoided by the RW foamers -- is, by any objective assessment, missing: materiality. It is also not at all clear that Clinton believed his answers to be false, and it is the belief, as opposed to the actual falsity, that is another essential element of the crime of perjury (strangely enough, in theory one could be prosecuted for a true statement as long as the affiant believed it to be false). Clinton may have been treading a very thin line, and in his 2001 statement to Ray he admits that in hindsight he thinks he may have crossed over the line of truthfulness, but it was his belief at the time of making the statement that matters. All academic, of course; the perse... -- ummm, sorry, "prosecution" -- of Clinton was entirely political and partisan; various Republicans had been putting out theories of impeachment almost from the second Clinton stepped into office. They just needed a "hat" to hang their witch-hunt on. The "perjury" one was pretty damn lame (even with some tittilation thrown in for good measure), but it was the best they had and the Republicans, ever partisan, ran with it as far as they could. Needless to say, it was only Republicans that voted to convict, and even some Republicans of good conscience (or at least a slight thread of remaining conscience) couldn't sign on to that despite the strong-arming of the leadership, and it ended up an(other) embarrassing blot on the Republican party. Cheers,
"Bart" DePalma said:
Perhaps I am being too much of a populist here, but I hold to the quaint notion that the President is subject to the same criminal laws as are the rest of us. ... such as 50 USC § 1809. Right? Cheers,
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