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Friday, September 15, 2006
At Last, the Issue is Publicly Joined . . . and When All the Smoke has Cleared, the Central Question is Quite Simple
Marty Lederman
And it is this: Should the CIA be legally authorized to breach the Geneva Conventions by engaging in the following forms of "cruel treatment" prohibited by "common" Article 3(1)(a) of those Conventions?:
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Good post Marty.
My analysis is that Congress has no authority to authorize violations of Geneva in the first place. (1) Each of the four Geneva conventions contains a clause on denunciations, which states: "Each of the High Contracting Parties shall be at liberty to denounce the present Convention. "The denunciation shall be notified in writing to the Swiss Federal Council, which shall transmit it to the Governments of all the High Contracting Parties. "The denunciation shall take effect one year after the notification thereof has been made to the Swiss Federal Council. However, a denunciation of which notification has been made at a time when the denouncing Power is involved in a conflict shall not take effect until peace has been concluded, and until after operations connected with the release and repatriation of the persons protected by the present Convention have been terminated. "The denunciation shall have effect only in respect of the denouncing Power. It shall in no way impair the obligations which the Parties to the conflict shall remain bound to fulfil by virtue of the principles of the law of nations, as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity and the dictates of the public conscience." GC III art. 142, GC IV art. 158. Under the supremacy clause, that is US law, and the principle that one does not change or suspend the rules during an armed conflict is nothing new. The very first US treaty that touched on this was the 1785 Treaty of Amity and Commerce with Prussia, which states: "[I]t is declared, that neither the pretence that war dissolves all treaties, nor any other whatever, shall be considered as annulling or suspending this & the next preceding article, but on the contrary, that the state of war is precisely that for which they are provided, & during which they are to be as sacredly observed as the most acknowledged articles in the law of nature or nations." Id. art. 24. (2) Even if you make the Geneva conventions vanish, what remains are the Nuremberg Principles and customary law going back to Hague 1907, the Lieber Code (1863), and beyond. The Bush administration's war crimes will still be crimes against humanity, and any effort by Congress to provide them cover for those crimes will also be a crime. What people need to understand is that no terrorist is as a great a threat to us as a government that will not obey our own laws. Bush and Cheney are criminals, and that is all that they are.
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