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Tuesday, July 04, 2006
Chalk on the Spikes: What is the Proper Role of Executive Branch Lawyers, Anyway?
Marty Lederman
Well, Sandy's provocative challenge certainly deserves a response. Unfortunately, I don't have time for a full retort right now, because I'm consumed with other projects. Fortunately for me, I've already drafted or signed a couple of things that are a partial response, at least. One is this memo that I drafted along with 18 of my former OLC colleagues, articulating what we think are some of the "best practices" of that office. It is concedely aspirational: Although it describes, I think, the way the office usually operates, at least at its best, obviously it is not hard to find counterexamples, from any and all Administrations.
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Prof. Lederman said:
Thus, when an OLC lawyer or the AG advises that a course of conduct is lawful, she is not simply giving the President advice about possible legal exposure; she is, instead, effectively determining what the law will be as a practical matter -- she is sanctioning the conduct, and immunizing it against future prosecution by the Executive, at least insofar as the advice is within the bounds of what the legal culture deems "reasonable." (If the advice is widely viewed as wrong, the Executive may pay a cost in its relations with Congress, or the court of public opinion, or even in international courts or civil cases, where relevant. But it's inconceivable that the Executive would ever prosecute someone who reasonably relied on OLC or AG advice -- in part because of serious due process concerns.) nonliquet said: X, executive branch official tells Y, executive branch lawyer to create a policy that may violate the law. Both X and Y are insulated. The policy works its way down the executive branch and then Z, an ordinary soldier commits a crime in part because of these policy changes and gets prosecuted, convicted and sent to jail by the very same Executive Branch asking for the boundaries to be pushed. These comments raise for me a critical question: to what extent does "advice of counsel" provide a defense to members of the Executive Branch who act on that advice? It seems to me that if it is a defense, that raises serious policy implications about the staffing of and advice given by OLC. It makes no sense to allow the Executive to immunize itself in this fashion. If OLC advice does not create any legal defense, then the behavior of OLC at least remains subject to political control by the public/Congress and judicial oversight. In this case, Prof. Lederman's and Katherine's point about public disclosure of the advice becomes crucial. On the more general issue whether lawyers should "confess" to being creative, I can only answer from my own practice. Only once or twice have I told a court that I wanted it to make new law. The response was discouraging -- the court had no interest in doing that. The legal fiction that "the law was ever thus" seems ingrained in judges and constrains the attorneys. It's more practical to assert a general principle which is broad enough to cover the case and then argue that said principle always was the law. This is a great discussion.
Why is advice of counsel ever a defense for anyone?
I'm simplifying, but in general advice of counsel can be a defense to certain mental states. For example, under CA law (where I practice) advice of counsel can be used as a defense against a claim of bad faith. This does not mean that the judge or jury must accept the defense, it just means that it can be offered. However, if someone does seek legal advice, and the advice IS given in good faith, then it would surely be wrong to find the client acted in bad faith. Note that in this situation there's a control on the attorney and client -- the judge or jury must accept that the attorney gave advice which may have been wrong but was nonetheless within the "ballpark". I'm not sure what the law is with respect to advice by OLC. Prof. Lederman seems to be suggesting a greater impact for advice of counsel than I understand, but I could be wrong. However, at http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/2006/07/top_ten_myths_a_1.html he says (in an excellent post): "But in my view (for reasons I don't have time or space here to elaborate), due process would almost certainly prevent prosecution for any conduct undertaken in reliance upon reasonable OLC advice; and before last Thursday, the conclusion that CA3 did not apply to the conflict with Al Qaeda, although perhaps wrong, was certainly reasonable (indeed, it was accepted by the now-Chief Justice of the United States). I know others will disagree with me on this. But I think it's safe to say, at the very least, that neither this Administration nor any future Administration will prosecute U.S. officials under the War Crimes Act for violations CA3 against Al Qaeda that occurred prior to June 29, 2006." Hence my question above.
Basically lawyers feel free to skate on the ragged edge because they see no consequences. So the question is should people such as Yoo be disbarred, tried for the consequences of their opinions and imprisioned or perhaps more.
Jack's column a few weeks ago attained the same view, though the title on his post made it look like it discussed only fourth amendment concerns; rather, it seemed like the article itself described fairly well the slippery slope now nearly four years in building.
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