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Wednesday, July 27, 2005
The Heroes of the Pentagon's Interrogation Scandal -- Finally, the JAG Memos
Marty Lederman
On Monday, the Senate began consideration of several amendments to the annual Defense Authorization Act that would codify certain standards for interrogation of detainees in what was the Global War on Terror (but what is apparently to be known henceforth as the (perpetual) "Global Struggle Against Violent Extremism"). Yesterday, the Administration decided that it would rather put off the Authorization bill until after Labor Day, rather than risk any chance that it would be prohibited from engaging in cruel, inhuman and degrading conduct.
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Reading these memoranda, crafted by the senior-most echelon of the nation's uniformed JAG corps, one can only be filled with admiration for the professionalism, vision and courage of the authors. It has taken a year for documents to emerge in this scandal that reflect the work of honest, conscientious, prudent lawyers and soldiers at the Defense Department. Bravo to Lindsey Graham, John McCain and John Warner for showing us that there are Republicans who put country ahead of party, and who value and defend the traditions of our uniformed services.
And thanks, too, to Marty Lederman for his ever insightful and articulate comments. True, we should all read these memos. But don't fail to read Marty's comments. He does a terrific job of putting them firmly in context. If United States vs Altstoetter is still good law, then the work of John Yoo and William J Haynes that we see reflected through these memos may well have cross the line from privileged legal advice into criminal conspiracy. It should in any event be thoroughly investigated, and the professional disciplinary organs should be giving the work of these two gentlemen a careful review. I question whether either of them should be giving legal advice to a Government in the future, and I shudder at the thought of Yoo teaching young students about international humanitarian law.
Can someone smarter than I reconcile (i) the determination that GTMO is a "unique situation" where "the Constitution does not apply" and (ii) the appeal to Constitutional authority in the Executive for the "exceptionally broad" Commander-in-Chief "defense"?
In response to ipslore: "The Constitution does not apply" is a shorthand. What the Administration means is that the *Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause* does not apply to protect aliens detained at GTMO (or in other overseas locations). This *incredibly important* constitutional question is currently at issue in the Rasul/Al Odah case on appeal to the D.C. Circuit.
In response to diogenes: Thanks so much for the kind words. Take what I'm about to write with a grain of salt, because I was an OLC attorney and thus perhaps I'm biased: Assume -- as I do -- that John Yoo and David Addington sincerely *believed* that the legal advice they were giving was correct, or at least colorable, and that they did not intend thereby to facilitate conduct that they believed was unlawful. Under standard conspiracy law -- or the "law" of Altstoetter -- could there nevertheless be culpability? The prospect that sincere and candid legal advice -- however wrong -- could render an attorney culpable for the ensuing conduct if it is deemed to have been unlawful, doesn't sound right, and makes me nervous. But perhaps I'm missing something.
"The Constitution does not apply" is a shorthand. [... == *Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause*]
A-ha. Cursed shorthand. Thank you for the clarification
Marty, the question you raise is whether legal advice rendered in good faith is shielded. Certainly by and large that is the case for legal advice, and a rule that lawyers can take some comfort in. However, United States v. Altstoetter made very clear that this defense is not available in one particular corner of international law - the rules of the law of armed conflict dictated by the Geneva Conventions and the Hague Convention. Altstoetter says quite clearly that the sort of niggling technical arguments that lawyers make every day in the discharge of their duties can be made in this area of the law only subject to serious peril for lawyers. Remember that in Altstoetter two Justice Department lawyers who made arguments remarkably like Yoo's were sentenced to 10 years (less time served) for their efforts, and they made a sustained good-faith interpretation argument in their defense. The tribunal didn't buy it. The tribunal was right. There are very solid jurisprudential reasons to treat this area of law (especially surrounding torture and serious abuse of combatants and civilians in wartime) differently and to be very severe in judging those who break (or as Sen Graham would say - play cute with) the law. Jeremy Waldron's superlative article in Columbia Law Review makes this point in spades.
But is it fair to say that John Yoo's arguments are made in good faith? I think not. I don't think any serious scholar of this area of the law could buy them. Yoo's colleague Flanigan called them "sophomoric" in today's New York Times. That seems to me a reasonable characterization. I could go on, but there is already a lot of scholarship out there in print saying that Yoo's views are too absurd to garner the good-faith defense.
The New Republic article provided a useful .html link (thanks to a website known for their usefulness in this area) that might be better for those with problems with .pdf files.
Well, Diogenes, I don't want to rain any realism on your parade, but don't you have to, like, lose a war before Alstoetter applies?
...professionalism, vision and courage of the authors.
Far from it. The authors persistently reach incorrect conclusions, conclusions in direct opposition to those enunciated by the highest organs of the Party. This sort of deviationism, masqerading as 'professionalism, 'vision' and 'courage', leads to open contradiction of the statements of the highest organs of the Party. Behavior of this sort has already turned our Intelligence Services into a dangerous threat to the security of the State. The military exists to serve the State, not the other way round, and there is no better way, in fact, no other way, to serve the State than to serve the Party.
I have no opinion about the legal analysis of the JAG lawyers. It is moot, idiosyncratic, and untested in court.
I suggest lawyers voluntarily remove themselves from all policy positions in the War on Terror. Judge Chertoff should resign, and he should ask a police or military official replace him. He is fit to be legal counsel. For clarity, let's go to an extreme. Lawyers stop clear physical torture (like in Medieval days, the rack, public disembowelling, the works), being highly illegal. If that could have prevented the detonation of a nuclear device on our land, 1776 will come to an end. So will the profession as you enjoy it now. Lawyer concentration camps will open. This post hoc second guessing is foreseeable. By intermeddling, the lawyers place the future of their essential utility service and of our way of life in the hands of the terrorists. That level of risk taking is irresponsible. The only thing the lawyers want is procedure, in furtherance of rent-seeking. If procedure were in place, it would be torture away, we got ours. Investigate this at JAG. Is it urban legend that an Air Force lawyer called off the bombing of the limousine convoy of Mullah Omar in Afghanistan? If it is not, what is the name of this lawyer "hero"?
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