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Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Spineless Democrats Deserve to Lose

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From the New York Times:
Democrats, who have found themselves on the losing end of the national security debate the past two national elections, said the changes to the [Bush Administration's executive detention and military commissions] bill had not yet reached a level that would cause them to try to block it altogether.

"We want to do this," said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader. "And we want to do it in compliance with the direction from the Supreme Court. We want to do it in compliance with the Constitution."


I'm afraid it's already too late for that, Senator Reid.

I am puzzled by and ashamed of the Democrats' moral cowardice on this bill. The latest version of the bill blesses detainee abuse and looks the other way on forms of detainee torture; it immunizes terrible acts; it abridges the writ of habeas corpus-- in the last, most egregious draft, it strips the writ for alleged enemy combatants whether proved to be so or not, whether citizens or not, and whether found in the U.S. or overseas.

This bill is simply outrageous. I doubt whether many Democratic Senators or staffs have read the bill or understand what is in it. Instead, they seem to be scrambling over themselves to vote for it out of a fear that the American public will think them weak and soft on terror.

The reason why the Democrats have not been doing very well on these issues, however, is that the public does not believe that they stand for anything other than echoing what the Republicans have been doing with a bit less conviction. If the Republicans are now the Party of Torture, the Democrats are now the Party of "Torture? Yeah, I guess so." Not exactly the moral high ground from which to seek office.

The Democrats may think that if they let this pass, they are guaranteed to pick up more seats in the House and Senate. But they will actually win less seats this way. For they will have proved to the American people that they are spineless and opportunistic-- that, when faced with a genuine choice and a genuine challenge, they can keep neither our country nor our values safe.

The current bill, if passed, will give the Executive far more dictatorial powers to detain, prosecute, judge and punish than it ever enjoyed before. Over the last 48 hours, it has been modified in a hundred different ways to increase executive power at the expense of judicial review, due process, and oversight. And what is more, the bill's most outrageous provisions on torture, definition of enemy combatants, secret procedures, and habeas stripping, are completely unnecessary to keep Americans safe. Rather, they are the work of an Executive branch that has proven itself as untrustworthy as it is greedy: always pushing the legal and constitutional envelope, always seeking more power and less accountability.

If the Democrats do not stand up to the President on this bill, if they refuse to filibuster it or even threaten to filibuster it, they do not deserve to win any additional seats in the House or in the Senate. They will have delivered a grievous blow to our system of checks and balances, stained America's reputation around the world, and allowed an obscenity to disfigure the American system of law and justice. Far worse than a misguided zealot is the moral coward who says nothing and allows that zealotry to do real harm.


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I'll just add, maybe the Dems aren't spineless. A few or maybe more may agree with the administration. This may not make it more palatable for you, but I think its unfair not to take it into account.
 

Professor,

Your complaints highlight the double bind all of our elected officials are in: Either they are denounced as soft and weak by their opponents for not marching lock-step behind the administration's "war" on terror, or they are called soft and weak by everyone else for going along with the majority party. Such complaints from those of us who oppose PNAC and the national surveillance state do ourselves no great service by buying into this double bind. Better that we look for counter examples, in both parties. Better that we help make the case, build the foundation from which opponents of this administration's fast march to fascism can fight. The main source of this administration's momentum is its brilliantly executed war meme. That is the Gordian knot we must cut. Anything less than a full frontal assault at the root source of the double-bind serves it; any discussion of the various bait issues tacitly accepts and reinforces the underlying fallacy that our rights are somehow suddenly alienable because we are "at war".

There can be no legitimizing the "war" on terror; we have let bad rhetoric be elevated into worse legislation, disastrous policy, and a damning zeitgeist. And our representatives, majority and minority, are only that, representatives. It falls to the teachers and preachers and other molders of thought to provide those representatives the tools to see through to the deeper issue and fight the right fight rather than tightening their ideological shackles by vain struggle which accepts the war meme. Take away the war meme and the rest of the administration's unconscionable plans are built on sand. If you don't do it, who will?
 

dammit, why don't you all cut to the heart of this and realize 9/11 was an inside job?
 

Angry as I am about this legislation, I don't want to fall into the trap of defeatism. I fervently hope there are Democrats who will oppose this bill and oppose it eloquently. The solution, then, is to reward those who do and replace those who don't.

This is going to be a long struggle. It may take years for the prosecutions to begin and justice meted out to the torturers. But only if we make it happen.
 

Strategizing on this issue is bullshit. The Democrats deserve to lose in November for not standing up to torture. I am ashamed.
 

What I don't understand about the Democrats' position is that the polls show that a majority Americans are against torture. To whom, exactly, are the Democrats pandering at this point?

Aside from the moral implications (which are heavy indeed), this seems like a poor strategy. They are being suckered by the Republicans and are clueless that it's happening.

I also agree with humblelawstudent's assessment of some of the Dems. The Dems are hardly liberal, and I'm sure you could find more than one authoritarian amongst their ranks. I wouldn't be surprised if a Dianne Feinstein-type would support this bill, with full knowledge of what is in it.
 

How many times do we have to hear that the Dems should duck and cover in order to avoid being called "soft" on terrorism or abortion or activist judges, etc.? They should play along with everything to secure victory at some imaginary point down the road that doesn't exist.

"Don't block Alito! They'll call us names!" "Don't vote against the war in Iraq! We'll lose the next election!" When will these idiots wake up? You lose elections BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO SPINES. You will be attacked by the right wing no matter what you do -- have you figured that out yet? It's as if the Dems calculate every move based on how it will play to the Fox news crowd. Here's a hint: you can't win those people over. Period. So stop trying. And Howard Dean is out there talking about the "war on American families" in the Wall Street Journal! Did he not notice that Kerry lost with this moronic strategy? They lose because they deserve to lose.
 

100% correct. this is precisely the time (pre-election) and issue (torture) when a bush/rove-esque "with us or against us" would be appropriate, popular with the majority of the people out there, and make the dems look aggressive and with a clear message and make the republicans look petty and legalistic, not to mention totally out of synch with our national values.
 

One other point: your blog would get a lot more comments if you didn't require commenters to use a blogger account. I've wanted to leave comments many times on this blog, but didn't because I didn't want to go through the hassle of signing up for a blogger account. I hope you will reconsider your set-up.
 

@ porter29:

It's as if the Dems calculate every move based on how it will play to the Fox news crowd.

Well...sort of. I'm as disgusted with the Democrats as anyone, but I'll give them this: the rightwing echo chamber is a savage, well-oiled machine, and getting sucked into its maw can't be much fun (unless you possess the brains and acumen of a Bill Clinton; few do). Let's be clear: Sean Hannity lies to his devotees, as do Limbaugh, Coulter, et al. Even MSNBC and CNN know that vitriole sells; intellectual honesty is for chumps.

How to fight such a thing? What to do when every good deed, every noble impulse, is snatched from your hands, shamelessly distorted, and then used to pummel you? In my perfect world, there will be a special circle of Hell reserved for those who dump poison into the well of public discourse; it's such a scummy, odious thing to do.

But again: how to effectively fight it?
 

It's official; the Democrats lack cajones.

A deal has been reached that no filibuster will be made. Debate on the bill is limited to 12 hours, and there will be a vote.

I can't believe we're getting to this point.
 

@montysanto:

the rightwing echo chamber is a savage, well-oiled machine, and getting sucked into its maw can't be much fun

This is the fear that permeates the Democratic party -- and everyone can smell it. You don't win by being mealy-mouthed and afraid that Hannity and Rush are going to distort what you say. This is really my point: they are going to distort what they say and cudgel them with it no matter what they say or do. Therefore, stop trying to tailor what you say and do based on the fear that it will be distorted and used against you.

30% of the country is in some sort of right-wing religious cult called the Republican party. Bush could peel off his head and reveal that he is Sleestack on live TV and they wouldn't bat an eyelash. So forget them.

Ask yourself what would happen if the situation were reversed. The Republicans would filibuster every fucking bill on the planet. They would spend every waking hour trying to get President Hillary impeached. End of story. That is why they win. Punching bags don't win elections.

Ok, it's hard to have the zeal of a cult when you aren't actually in a cult, but you at least have to get up off of the mat.

Anyway, who cares if the Dems take the House back? They will be too afraid to do anything. Suddenly we will hear that they shouldn't rock the boat because 2008 is just around the corner. It's the same thing over and over and over.
 

@ porter29:

Therefore, stop trying to tailor what you say and do based on the fear that it will be distorted and used against you.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking: how do they do that?

30% of the country is in some sort of right-wing religious cult called the Republican party.

Very true, and they're a lost cause. Then, there's another 30% or so who slumber through life, lazily casting their vote based on whatever talking points penetrate their noggins. I know these folks; I work with them. Reaching them is where we succeed or fail. Again: how to do that?
 

>I'm not disagreeing, I'm asking: how do they do that?

They go on national TV and say, "This country will legalize torture over my dead body. And anyone who tries to legalize it should be tried for war crimes. Anyone who supports torture doesn't understand what this country is all about. And if you don't like it, move to North Korea or Cuba."

For starters? Then filibuster if they have to. It's not that hard.

Do they not understand that Bush is unpopular? That the wrong track numbers are through the roof? This tip-toeing around these issues boggles the mind.
 

Amen JB.

They have had opportunities like the Arar report DROPPED IN THEIR LAPS during this fiasco and have refused to get a spine or even get a strategy. The Harper's article, the German prosecutor's statements in el-Masri---- if they are this inept and feckless, they do deserve to lose.

Anyone who cannot fashion a credible and loud argument against making America a state sponsor of torture, torture of innocent people, torture of our own citizens, torture of children - how thoroughly contemptible.
 

In the immortal words of Padmé Amidala, "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."

Okay. Sorry, that was a rude joke, wasn't it?
 

I think a Dem. Senate will matter if Stevens retires. But, there are many other things for which it will matter too. A firm "mandate" to Republicans in '06 would be a travesty overall. Anyway, a betting man says the Dems will lose the Senate ... they need a near perfect storm to win it.

The House is different. They have a shot. Many over there did lash against the bill, something noted on liberal activist leaning blogs as well. They have spoken out repeatedly on various issues, but since the place is run as a plantation (see, e.g., "Broken Branch"), they come out with little.

Most Dem House members did vote against the bill. They deserve to win in '06, and should not be punished for Senate timidity.
 

Glenn Greenwald underlines the point that House Dems served the country pretty well on this issue. The exceptions are telling:

The House voted today to pass the President's interrogation and detention bill. The roll call vote is here. Democrats voted against the bill by a vote of 219-34. Republicans voted in favor of the bill by a vote of 160-7. Of the 34 Democrats voting in favor of the bill, two are currently in close races for the Senate: Rep. Harold Ford in Tennessee and Sherwood Brown in Ohio.

Rep. Brown, a generally liberal leaning sort (including on free trade), is a particularly troubling case. It underlines, however, how the Senate appears to be different on this issue. More "reasonable" in a Lieberman sort of way.
 

Hey, Noah -- the (D)s may deserve to lose, but after this, the (R)s will get their own special circle in Dante's Inferno.

I'd speculate what happens to them there, but why bother when it's all in the newspaper?
 

It's truly sad that Alexander Hamilton had more wisdom at age 25 than at least some of the Dems in the Senate. From a letter of September 3, 1780:

"The manner in which a thing is done has more influence than is commonly imagined. Men are governed by opinion; this opinion is as much influenced by appearances as by realities; if a Government appears to be confident of its own powers, it is the surest way to inspire the same confidence in others; if it is diffident, it may be certain, there will be a still greater diffidence in others, and that its authority will not only be distrusted, controverted, but contemned."

Dems need to stand up for our principles now that the Republicans are standing down for them.
 

In my second comment, I cut and pasted a quote that is erroneous. Someone nicely emailed me to point it out -- Glenn Greenwald clearly copied the totals wrong.

Republican 219-7
Democratic 34-160
Independent [against]

As to Zathras, I might be wrong, but I recall someone by that name elsewhere noted that he agreed Bush et. al. was not fit for the office, but supported them in '04 out of party loyalty.

But, he cites the lack of the guts of Democrats. I don't find this exactly ahem gutsy.
 

Any of you notice that your repeated meme here, over and over and over again, is to educate us dumb voters so that we'll be smart enough to understand why you're so appalled?

It's evidently not occurred to the Democratic Party -- or at least the ones posting here -- that the MAJORITY of voters have already rejected your "educational superiority" not just once but a couple of times. My guess is that you-all will be rejected again on November 8, and for a lot of the same reasons.

You really need to wrap your over-educated and bulging brains around the fact that we are not impressed by your education. We *are* impressed by what we can touch and see and hear and taste ... like two skyscrapers crumbling and bodies plummeting downwards through the air to splat like over-ripe tomatoes on the pavement below.

Until you can come up with a counter-balance to those images, your rants about the need to "educate" us to the importance of treating terrorists with the proper amount of empathy and human rights is going to keep on being rejected, and all your efforts wasted.

If terrorists have their habeas corpus taken away from them ... good! And if we've been able to slaughter 4,000 terrorists in Iraq (not to mention however many have met their Allah in Afghanistan) then that has been money well spent on warlike activities.

Which is more than the Democrats ever proposed doing.
 

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"A society that is willing to sacrifice Liberty for Security deserves neither" (Ben Franklin paraphrase)
 

Another conservative point of view, along the lines of what NahnCee said....get your heads out of your overeducated patoots and stop your condesending attitude toward the people you are trying to get on your side.

Speaking from personal experience, I tune out anybody I think is talking down to me as a voter, and the Dhims are great at that....example: John Kerry tarted up as a hunter?? Puleeze, that was as sleazy as they come.

Also, quit denigrating our boys in uniform. I remember 9/11 and the impact it had on me as a voter, and I'm darn sure not going to vote for the pansy party of weenies who want to cut and run from Iraq, and I'm tired of being told I'm stupid for believing that ISLAM is a huge problem for us. Just making "nice" with these savages is not going to work, nor is ignoring the problem and hoping they'll go away.

Also, I don't want to be a socialist. Socialism DOESN'T WORK. What part of that don't you understand? I'm grown, have been for awhile, and unlike the food nazis at work in NYC (more well-meaning libs, no doubt) I DON'T NEED A NANNY. I don't want the government getting into my life that far. If I want to eat french fries, by God, I'll EAT french fries and if I die of it, oh well. I'm a grown-up and I can do that. Ditto for smoking, drinking, and anything else I choose to do as an adult.

James Carville is right. Democrats need to find their spines, but the problem is THEY DON'T HAVE ANY. Evidently bleeding hearts weakens the spine, not to mention that the Dhims have so many factions that they CAN'T come up with a cohesive strategy that brings everybody under the tent, which is why you're on your way into the trash bin of history.

This is NOT JFK's Democratic party and if he was still alive, he'd be appalled at all of you. You deserve to lose, and you will.
 

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Guess I don't have anything worthwhile of my own...yet
 

I am a registered Democrat (because of closed primaries in a D area) but no party loyalist by any means.

Democrats don't lose elections because voters are dumb and the Supreme Court won't let candidates cherry-pick recounts. (Remember, they didn't tell FL not to have recounts. They said if you're going to do it, you have to recount the whole state. It was the only fair thing to do.)

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Want a spine? Be who you are. Run on your ideas. Don't insult the voters.

Then when Dems lose, they will know it's about their IDEAS losing. The party has no chance of saving itself until it has a rendezvous with reality.

No Dems for national office in 2006! I'm just not for investigations and impeachments during a time of war. The D spin machine has really lost its mind and its grip on reality. It's ossified and Kossified. Whiny teenagers shouldn't be allowed to run the country.
 

I'm ready for Republican Party too loose. Just doen't seem like the President is doing his job. Seem like there is no middle clas only the rich and the poor.

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