Thursday, December 15, 2005
Torture by the Back Door
Lindsey Graham has played a largely laudable role in the battle for honorable standards of treatment for detainees in the War on Terror. His efforts to regulate litigation in the U.S. courts coming out of the detention facility in Guantánamo have been much more controversial. Senator Graham, who is a reserve Air Force JAG officer and appeals judge, has couched some of his positions in terms of a desire to protect the integrity of the military courts system and to create a rational and efficient process of appeal. At a conceptual level this approach has much to it, though many JAG officers are quick to differentiate the established courts martial system from the military commissions and tribunals created by fiat of Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, where sharp deviations from accepted courtmartial practice have been decreed.
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Sounds just like the ACLU's talking points.
Didn't the UK court suggest, repeatedly, that the executive's use of information gained from torture is not only permissible, but at times required?
It's not that they banned the use of such information; rather, they insisted that they would keep their hands clean, while the executive should do something much different.
Your presentation of the Lords' views seems to be flawed. Their point is simply that, if you get information that there is a terrorist attack ongoing or imminent, you do not ask for the source of the information, but run to prevent the attack. The House of Lords does emphatically not endorse the use of torture or ill-treatment by the executive to gain evidence.
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We have gone from what the definition of "is" is, to what the "definition" of Torture is.
And, of course, the wingnut definition of Torture is in keeping with their unwavering support for the death penalty, while those countries that don't have the death penalty tend to view Torture as the abomination it is.
So, we have the Bush administration essentially defending practices perfected by the Gestapo, the KGB and the Stasi. Do the Bush people even have a clue what this says about their so-called, self-proclaimed, chest-thumping "morality"?
Why do they hate America and why are they trying to drag us all down into the pit of hell with them?
Jay777 sounds just like the RNC talking points.
The ACLU is against torture.
The GOP is for torture.
That's a fact, you stupid dubyalover. You have no moral values because you're a neocon.
Consider the possibility that the Bush partisans do not really believe their own arguments, such as they are. If they were voicing general principles, they would be wrong. Even the Hollywood scenarios they conjure up give lie to that, because even if torture worked, which it does not (unless you want to extract false confessions for political reasons, not intelligence reasons), you need weeks of effort, so the whole ticking clock is bogus.Post a Comment
Yet, if they believed in the general principle, they would also say that it applies to a Clinton admin or a Carter admin. Yet, it's easy to imagine that they would opposed Democrats if the show was on the other foot (rather then being smashed on a supects head).
So this is about an ideology of power, specific to certain personalities. They believe, most likely, in a special right for their favored leader, Dubya, to authorize what they would prob. condemn from any other person. That's just a theory