Balkinization: Does God Mess With Free Will?

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if i'm not mistaken, the strategy of this essay is that through creative interpretation one can mitigate the implications of patriarchic texts.

one could also entertain the view that the bible serves as a reductio ad absurdum of the belief in a benevolent God acting in history. or rather, one who acts in accord with an alternate morality, much like the Communist conception of revolutionary morality.

God seems to be a rather strategic, manipulative and morally unprincipled actor, utilizing an 'ends justify the means' approach to sanction slavery, mass killings and genocide as vengeance.

The exception to God's anti-liberalism, however, seems to be contractual obligation.

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ECS : 2:21 PM

In re "reductio ad absurdum" I can only respond "credo quia absurdum." Well, I don't, but some of the more obstreporous patristic philosophers certainly did. More to the point, the current epidemic of self-serving literalism among the "Christian right" is certainly fideism.

For what it's worth, I find the "Christian right" earn their quote marks for failing to be Christians, not for failing to be right-wing ideologues. The idea that Jesus would have sanctioned bombing abortion clinics, preventive war or even banning stem-cell research strikes me as profoundly misguided theology.

This leads us back to the subject, as the theology of the Old-Testament Right likely includes the main examples of the biblical God meddling with individual motivations. A quick search for "heart" and "harden*" at http://unbound.biola.edu/ turns up Deuteronomy 2:30 ("..for the LORD your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate, in order to deliver him into your hand..").

I just can't see this stuff in the New, but then as an atheist I don't read it much and could be wrong.

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More biblical reasoning:

As we all know, God says in Revelations 1:8, "I am the alpha and the omega."

The lower case Greek letter alpha resembles the lower case letter a: ?

The lower case Greek letter omega resembles the lower case letter w: ?

? .... ?
a .... w

a and w. Hmmm. Henceforth, we should all take communion with root beer.

Seriously: This is what happens when one applies close analysis to a very soft and fuzzy text. To say that God hardened Pharoah's heart (as opposed to Pharoah's heart was hard), or to say that Eve's punishment was to be cut off from attraction to women, is to miss the point. God put us here in a world with all sorts of delightful, mundane, and downright awful things, from the Bible, to the brilliant minds I read on this blog, to root beer, etc. For me, each has a place in my life. Some things a larger place, some things a smaller place. My job is to discern God's will and to do it. Whatever the truth of it, the fact that the Bible just SEEMS to me like a book that's hardly intended to be taken literally is evidence to me that God doesn't want me to take it literally. However, the fact that the Bible is ubiquitous in my tableau tells me to ignore it at my peril. Does your common sense and experience tell you that the Bible is to be parsed like the Bill of Rights?

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MikeLawyr2 : 3:24 PM

Do religious conservatives really argue that that particular passage in the Bible is evidence of the "naturalness" of heterosexuality and the sinfulness of homosexuality? I thought that, if Genesis was used at all, the more appropriate passages to that end were the ones about Eve's creation, not Eve's punishment.

Your interpretation strains the passage to its breaking point. A more sensible interpretation along those lines is that women will be "condemned" to have their mental processes cause them to remain in abusive relationships when they shouldn't (this happens today), or that guilt about marital infidelity is part of woman's punishment.

Interesting blog entry, but now that you've gotten in a few good punches against a strawman, what's the next step?

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Farnsworth : 6:23 PM

If, as religious conservatives suggest, Eve's punishment (desiring only her husband) is proof of God's preference for heterosexuality, then doesn't the FACT of homosexuality prove that the religious right's view that the Bible is literally true is wrong. The response, I suppose, is "free will". But if that's the case, then homosexuality disproves the post's premise.

# posted by

snead16 : 6:14 PM

An interesting topic, Ian. Here are some thoughts:

(1) "When does the God of the Bible violate the Bruce Almighty rule and change people’s desires?" Here are a couple of general examples:

Philippians 2:13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Titus 3:3-5. For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.

The question, though a good one, needs elaboration. I can think of three ways God could control my desires:

1. He could directly change my desires. "Grace" can be interpreted this way-- God directs my desires away from sin and towards good.

2. He could create me in such a way that He controls my desires, via my genetics and environment. This is one way to reconcile predestination with free will, as matter of the point in time at which you look at things.

3. He could reveal information to me that changes my desires without affecting my underlying preferences. This is another way to interpret grace, a less conventional one I think.

(2) Heterosexuality as punishment. Genesis 3:16 says

To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

That would be in category 2 above, so it isn't really a good example of God's changing any individual's desires. A woman normally looks to a man for satisfaction (and to children too), and is frustrated if she does not have a man. This is a deviation from the woman looking to God for her satisfaction. Lesbianism would be still worse (though the passage isn't about that), as being a deviation from the normal deviation. The woman's desire for her man puts her at his mercy; she will follow him even when he leads her astray.

It's interesting to contrast this with the man's punishment in Genesis 3:17-18:

To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.

Most straightforwardly, Adam's punishment is painful toil, the analog of painful childbirth. If I may go a step further, though, the male motivation most analogous to woman's desire for her man is a desire for success at work, whether that work be making money or killing enemy soldiers. That is where he, imperfectly and often completely unsuccessfully seeks satisfaction instead of from God.

(3) These ideas are interestingly compatible with biology. A woman is most reproductively successful if she can find a dependable man who will take care of her and the children, since pregnancy requires a dependable partner. A man is most reproductively successful if he does well in his vocation and can support one or multiple families, since his sexual contribution is minor.

(4) You see, sin without free will is not even possible. Pharaoh’s failure to let the Israelites go when his heart was hardened by God cannot in good conscience be considered sinful.

Can one sin without free will? Yes, in the sense that (a) one can do bad acts that (b) rightly result in punishment. A mad dog bites and kills people without free will. The dog is shot, a punishment. Why punish him? Incapacitation, mainly, perhaps with retribution too, the same (minus deterrence, rehabilitation, and stigmatization) as legal punishments.

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Eric Rasmusen : 10:56 PM

What was the original sin? What was God's intention for human sexuality. Some have speculated that the original sin was a sexual act that deviated from the genital-genital form which was also contrary to reproductive potentiality. Marriage is meant to be free, total, faithful, and fruitful. Any sexual act which is not genital to genital and which intrinsically does not contain the potential for reproduction is contrary to our very nature as sexual beings. These sexual acts which are not genital to genital and which intriscicaly exclude the possibility of reproduction harm one's very self because they deny one the opporunity to totally give oneself to another. Sexual love is meant to image the "givingness of self to self in love." Sexual love is the highest icon in Christendom in its ability to express something of the ineffable dynamic of the inner life of the Trinity.

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Faust : 10:10 AM

I would note that Jonathan Edwards disagreed rather strenuously with your contention that "sin without free will is not even possible." I will not attempt to summarize his argument in a blog comment, however.

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sean : 5:32 PM

well its pretty obvious what's being hinted at here - that for a woman to be a faithfull hetrosexual wife is a punishment, and this somehow protrays lesbianism as a liberation of some sort. This is clearly an attack on the institution of marriage, meant to weaken by passive-aggressive means the holy ordained union of man and woman, the best case scenerio for raising children. Yes, this reasoning clearly came from a mind with too much spare time on its hands. Why, if I weren't such a God-fearing soul, I might call for some kind of action-figure judgment on your keaster. In fact, you kind of remind me of someone - now who might that be... hmm... I wonder... hmm... would it beeee... satan!? Oh, and I just want to state for the record I don't hate homosexuals unless they turn me on, which they by definition never do.

# posted by

John : 9:16 PM

You can feel free to read Luther's The Bondage of the Will for a defense of the existence of sin without "free will."

# posted by

Randomscrub : 1:01 AM

Well, I'll add my words to the pile. Some of these thoughts have already been partially expressed and I'm fleshing them out. The rest is Gravy...

The problem with the Bruce Almighty Rule here begins with the formulation of the premise: That God can make people do things, but cannot change their desires. In fact, the converse is true--God can and does change desires, but he does not make people do things.

The difference has a great deal to do with the meaning of the phrase "free will." What constitutes free will in the first place? I would submit that the simplest definition is, as usual, the best: To be possessed of free will is simply to have the ability to choose any action from a set of possible actions (S.P.A.), assuming there is a multiplicity of possible actions from which to chose. I, for instance, have free will when it comes to what I have for breakfast--eggs and toast, thank you, though I might have had cereal. And, somewhat surprisingly, my free will is not violated by limitations on possible actions: I cannot at this very moment climb to the top of Mount Everest or speak to George Washington in person, but this has nothing to do with free will because Time and Space put them outside my S.P.A. Lastly on this point, if a circumstance presents a S.P.A. consisting of exactly ONE possible action, this does not negate my free will either. One might argue that the "inability to choose" in such a situation gives rise to a lack of free will; however, it is more accurate to say "there is no choosing to be done" than "there is no ability to choose." It is not that I am unable to choose; rather, choosing never enters into the matter, because a proper concept of choice is predicated upon a multiplicity of possible actions. "I do not choose" is not equivalent to "I cannot choose." While the latter is "not free," the former is merely involuntary.

On the subject of sin, therefore, I would venture to say that there needn't be any condition in which a sinful act is the only possible action, and therefore involuntary. Sinful actions (as well as right actions) are always free because there must always be an alternative possible action in a given circumstance; otherwise, the moral agency of the individual is compromised. (This is really a secondary point, and irrelevant to the important points below...)

Finally, in the argument at hand, what is at issue is not whom Eve desires or whether Pharaoh's heart is hard against releasing the Israelites, but whether they are able to choose any action from the S.P.A in their circumstances. It was possible for Eve not to take the fruit just as it was possible for Pharaoh to release the Israelites. The text does not say God interfered with Eve's or Pharaoh's ability to choose one possible action over another, so there is no reason to believe that God subverts free will based on these examples. Further comment on our case studies below...

In Eve's case, I happen to think the injection of homosexual/heterosexual rhetoric into the Genesis narrative is ill-conceived. The context sheds more light on what is meant by "desire." Look at God's words to Cain in Gen. 4:7. Literally translated, it reads "It's (sin's) desire is for you, and you shall rule over it." The grammar is very close to 3:16; in Hebrew and English the construction is virtually the same. This suggests that the kind of desiring implied by this usage is for control or rulership. Taken in this way, the text of 3:16 would suggest that God was giving Eve the punishment of struggling against the pattern of her original failure--asserting control or rulership of her husband (to say nothing of Adam's failure in leading, which is another kettle of fish). Sexuality is simply not warranted by the context.

As for Pharaoh's hardened heart (along with the enemies of Joshua), the Semitic concept of cosmology finds very little difference between a thing merely occurring and God's causing it to occur. This arises from a heavy emphasis on the omnipotence of God. In fact, it was hard for them to put God's omnipotence too strongly. We would tend to say that God allows things to happen--this is necessitated by the philosophical difficulties of free will arguments. The writers of the Torah certainly had no such philosophical conundrums to reconcile. To say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart was essentially the same as saying that Pharaoh hardened his heart, or that God allowed it to be hardened. The narrative actually uses all three constructions at different times. The point was in the hardness of Pharaoh's heart and the resulting events. The Exodus was central to the creation of the Hebrew faith, and was told (and later written) in a way that would keep God's purpose at the forefront.

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Missing one simple date can cost thousands. You need
to be organized so you know the exact dates your bills
are due as well as keep all receipts, contracts, etc.
in an orderly manner.

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