Wednesday, February 13, 2008
Senator McCain Condemns Torture -- But Votes Against the Bill That Would Prevent It
Andrew Sullivan hopefully writes that, because of the McCain nomination, "these primaries have ensured that the U.S. will not be torturing after the Bush-Cheney years." Were that it were so.
McCain: It is also incontestable that waterboarding is outlawed by the Military Commissions Act, and it was the clear intent of Congress to prohibit the practice.
Too bad the MCA itself is unconstitutional on its face. Meanwhile, treaties have the force of law, so the simple fact that it violates the GC would suffice.
If anybody with any power gave a damn.
McCain: I believe that it is clearly illegal and that we should publicly recognize this fact.
But not at the cost of adding to the aura of mystique around the obscenity knowns as the MCA. Better all 'round to simply cleave in good faith to the committments we've made and asked of others, i.e., the GC.
I think you meant to say that, by contrast, Senators Clinton and Obama failed to vote on the Feinstein amendment.
So why didn't the Republicans invoke the 60-vote rule to filibuster this law, as they have filibustered just about everything else? I can only conclude they have decided it would be politically advantageous for GWB to veto it.
Wait a minute.
Why is Congress having this vote?
I thought the CIA's entire suite of coercive interrogation techniques was clearly and indisputably in violation of the torture statute?
"Why is Congress having this vote?"
It's called whitewash.
"Simple folks never sense the devil's presence, not even when his hands are on their throats." (Mephistopheles)
Now that I have a little more time, let me revisit my claim that the MCA is unconstitutional on its face. Jack's post, Has Congress unconstitutionally suspended the writ of habeas corpus? and Marty's Imagine Giving Donald Rumsfeld Unbounded Discretion to Detain You Indefinitely do the job better than I could hope, but in a nutshell, let's recall that no one has refuted my contention that the MCA permits the President or his designate to pick up YOU off the street, throw you in a cell, use coercive methods currently under fraudulent and disingenuous debate to extract information from you, deny you the right not to incriminate yourself, deny you the right of habeas corpus. And while the salesmanship on this particular item in the evil legacy of the Cheney/Bush rule focuses on "Alien Unlawful Enemy Combatants" the truth is there is not one word in the text of the law which protects against even "reasonable errors made in good faith" much less precludes abuse as a tool of political repression.
And yet McCain wants to whitewash his complicity in the current attempts to "legalize" a historically infamous crime of torture by reliance on the MCA? Feh.
Does Senator McCain know that people who can read will be able to find out rather easily that he's saying one thing one day, and something completely contradictory the next day? I mean, didn't Bush hammer Kerry for much the same thing last election?
"Does Senator McCain know that people who can read will be able to find out rather easily that he's saying one thing one day, and something completely contradictory the next day?"
That appears to be the impression that Professor Lederman is trying to create. However, if you read McCain's statement, you will see that he is taking exactly the same position that he did before, namely that torture and other cruel and inhumane treatment should be banned, but that the CIA should not be required to comply with the Army Field Manual. Professor Lederman and others here obviously do not agree with that position, but I see no basis for characterizing it as a change for McCain.
McCain can try to spin it any way he wants, but he knows as well as anyone that the Bush Administration does not consider waterboarding, let alone any other torture technique, to be illegal. Despite the MCA, despite McCain's impassioned speeches. So McCain knows that by voting against this bill, he is supporting the current practice which is basically "Whatever the President says is legal, is legal".
I agree in principle, however, I'd like to see a few examples of techniques that would not be allowed unfer the field manual, but still pass the "shocks the conscience" test that (according to McCain) waterboarding fails.
Ultimately this was just a policy statement vote, since GWB is going to veto this. McCain apparently decided that he'd rather vote no and explain that vote to moderates, than vote yes and explain that vote to conservatives.
Wait a minute. Why is Congress having this vote? I thought the CIA's entire suite of coercive interrogation techniques was clearly and indisputably in violation of the torture statute?
Bart, stop being a jerk. The reason we are having this vote is because PEOPLE LIKE YOU are contending that waterboarding isn't illegal, so we need to pass a second statute to confirm it. But now, you take that as proof that it isn't already illegal.
So we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Could agree more strongly. Feinstein read a statement written by my organization, The Partnership for a Secure America, during the Senate vote, to drive the urgency of the point home. However, the impending veto is threatening to render our efforts at bipartisan consensus building obsolete, and McCain's position is extremely unhelpful.
If you haven't heard or seen our statement, see: http://psaonline.org/article.php?id=288, and for more, http://blog.psaonline.org/2008/03/03/under-one-flag-one-manual-on-interrogation/
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Are you a partisan?
Sign a petition to your favourite president candidate, congress member, House of representative again and ask for their views to comment on this, and what regulations they are going to raise for implementation.....If you agree on my point, please share with many people as possible....
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