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Monday, December 19, 2005
Definition of "Audacity"
Marty Lederman
Noun: Bold or insolent heedlessness of restraints, as of those imposed by prudence, propriety, or convention.
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Marty,
I agree that the Administration's arguments here are pretty weak, though not novel (the inherent powers argument has found support, bafflingly to my mind, for quite some time). But I find it funny that people who don't mind finding all kinds of liberal goodies in the Constitution, which never did and never would get there by any Democratic process, think those are worth fighting tooth and nail for. On the other hand, when John Yoo finds what Lincoln found there, he's "lawless." Actually, he is, as was Lincoln's suspension of the writ, as was Roe, as was Roper. I'm against ALL the lawlessness. Who knows, maybe Bush's playfulness with written laws will make textualists of all the purposivists out there...there is, after all, a reason to write things down and to insist that words have meanings that can be understood: the rule of law. T.
The AUMF argument only makes sense in relation to the (far stronger) Article II claim. We need to take a step back and think here: does the administration have the right to intercept messages from an organization we have declared war on to residents of the US without judicial oversite? If we were talking about Goebbels sending letters to German immigrants i imagine it would pass the laugh test. Its the wiretapping that is freaking us out. If it was a letter or morse code or smoke signals no-one would think twice about the governments ability to intercept it when its transmitted from an overseas combatant.
Actually, Mark, your points are fair as to the substance of things. But law is not just about results. I'm not so bothered by wiretaps--I think the internet and Visa have pretty much eliminated privacy, a right we tend to fetishize in modernity anyway. So I might be perfectly comfortable with giving this power to the executive.
What I am not comfortable with is the prospect of a lawless executive claiming to be the sole interpreter of its own unwritten inherent powers. This surveillance program, if it is necessary for our security, could be accomplished legislatively, and I would not be bothered.
The best discussion of Lincoln's constitutional thought I've seen is "Lincoln's Constitution," by Daniel Farber. My impression from that book is that Lincoln was a good deal more respectful of constitutional and Congressional authority than Bush/Gonzales are. Far from overriding settled law when it was inconvenient, Lincoln acknowledged that ultimately Congressional authority was required for constitutionally controversial emergency actions.
My other impression is that the Civil War was a far more existential threat to the United States than the current perma-yellow-alert emergency is. As to Goebbels and German immigrants: if there had been settled law against wiretaps of this sort, that should have been serious back then too. I seem to recall other actions against Americans of foreign extraction back then that most Americans are ashamed of today.
"What I am not comfortable with is the prospect of a lawless executive claiming to be the sole interpreter of its own unwritten inherent powers."
If that were truly the case he would hardly be briefing Congressional leaders. Assumedly there was aquessance in their silence. This is where the AUMF has an impact. We arent talking simply about a president eavesdropping on offshore groups he personally deems dangerous to the US (although he certainly has that discretion if they arent communicating with anyone on US soil). Gonzalez rightly (if ineptly) points out that this organization is a specific enemy, specifically declared an enemy by Congress. I pointed to this example on VC: if during a 'conventional' war, an enemy submarine was comminicating with a commando team already on US soil, would the administration require a warrant intercept? Or would that not clearly fall under his Article II purview? So obviously there is a line here, the question becomes where is it drawn? In in that context the AUMF is certainly germaine.
Assumedly there was aquessance in their silence.
Briefings aren't acquiescence. Say I bind and gag you and then 'brief' you that I'm about to rob your house. Later I tell the court "he didn't object." I guess you'd be pulling your chin saying "hmm, guy's got a point." I think opposition party congressmen and women can't just run around blabbing about whatever they hear at an intelligence briefing. All they can do -- the few who even hear about the program, that is -- is object directly to the administration. Jay Rockefeller wrote a letter to Cheney doing just that, expressing strong reservations that were anything but acquiescence.
I pointed to this example on VC: if during a 'conventional' war, an enemy submarine was comminicating with a commando team already on US soil, would the administration require a warrant intercept? Or would that not clearly fall under his Article II purview? So obviously there is a line here, the question becomes where is it drawn? In in that context the AUMF is certainly germaine.
But of course, the FISA already provides for this exigency. There is no need to make an end-run around the statute. The administration can wiretap such communications immediately, subject to obtaining a warrant from the FISC within 72 hours.
Briefings aren't acquiescence. Say I bind and gag you and then 'brief' you that I'm about to rob your house. Later I tell the court "he didn't object." I guess you'd be pulling your chin saying "hmm, guy's got a point."
The representatives were far from bound and gagged. They definitely had other means of investigation and oversite by means of the Intelligence committees. Those venues are already within a classified realm and can discuss such issues. If they then deemed the presidents activities as illegal, they then could tell him so and take further action as neccessary. Which include court actions if deemed appropriate. Rockefeller's single letter is far from performing his due diligence in this. He most certainly could have brought this up in committee and forced the issue if he chose to. And note, other Senators, of both parties, made similar statements and still did nothing. They all should be given a portion of the blame for failure to do anything beyond the most meager of protests.
They definitely had other means of investigation and oversite by means of the Intelligence committees.
Yeah, right. Bush has said it was "shameful" to reveal the existence of this unapproved, illegal program. The Senate and the House are both run by party-line partisans who have to shamed (and what an iffy proposition that was) into keeping their own promise to follow up on the pre-war politicization of intelligence. Oops, make that 'promising to keep their own promise.' You know that you'd be supporting Bush and the Republicans to the hilt if Rockefeller had come out saying anything he was sworn not to. There wasn't oversight, there was the arm-twisted appearance of oversight. And you know it.
From a speech by George W. Bush on April 20, 2004, more than two years after the illegal wiretapping of Americans commenced on his personal say so:
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution. Thanks to Carol Watson for the heads up.
Good point, whig. Pres. Bush also made the same claim last fall during one of the presidential debates. He claimed, in response to a question during the "undecided voters" debate, that all wiretaps required a warrant, knowing as he said so that he had repeatedly authorized warrantless wiretaps. That's called lying.
That speech is interesting too, inasmuch as Bush repeatedly states, "When the President speaks, he better mean it."
I certainly have a problem with the president having carte blanche authority to surveil American's in search of foreign intelligence, but it seems that there is in fact some legal basis this view.
It seems that there are actually quite a few federal cases that say that the President has the "inherent authority" to wiretap without a warrant in order to gain foreign intelligence. In particular, there seems to be a 2002 case, In Re Sealed Case 310 F.3d 717, which explicitly states this. I this case, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review determined that the President had “inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information,” and that so long as the only real use of a FISA warrant is to be later able to use that information in a criminal prosecution. This authority apparently comes from the President’s role as Commander-in-Chief. and therefore Congress had no power to restrict this authority through FISA or any other means short of proposing a Constitutional Amendment. I am more than willing to have someone tell me that I am wrong here, in fact, I wish someone would, but it seems to me that this was within the law.
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