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Wednesday, September 21, 2005
"We Don't Torture." "We Abide By Our Treaty Obligations." "We Treat Detainees Humanely." (Repeat as Needed.)
Marty Lederman
Timothy Flanigan was the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) in the George H.W. Bush Administration. In the George W. Bush Administration, he was Deputy White House Counsel. He left the Government in December 2002, and has now been nominated to be the No. 2 officer at the Department of Justice -- the Deputy Attorney General.
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Robert K. Vischer (St. John's Law School) has an article titled "Legal Advice as Moral Perspective" available on SSRN that addresses that issue for the OLC attorneys drafting the torture memos, the attorneys for Enron and the attorneys representing the Catholic Church priest sex abuse cases. Is amoral lawyering the appropriate standard?
"War is Hell."
I'm just a dumb intellectual property lawyer, webmaster / web programmer + instructor, blogger, web memoirist, mil-spec poet and screenplay writer ... but I'm also hopeful of starting a doctoral program in Neuroethics here pretty soon, i.e. one might say I've tried my damnedest to establish some sort of real cred. At 2:00 a.m. on 9/11 I arrived at a place where I thought I'd leisurely work on a law review article regarding things like terrorism, stalking, cyberstalking and computer hacking. Woke up early the next day despite my late arrival because I'm also a news freak. Saw the first plane hit, thought a fellow pilot had screwed up royal or got screwed by an air traffic controller. Then I saw the second plane hit, and thought: Terrorist Masterstroke. Put down my keyboard and stack of research notes and was far too upset to write anything. About a month before that, I was engaging in some "psywar training countertactics" by way of assorted shenanigans, I was awarded by a field-exercise visit from a guy who's now the chief psychologist at the Pentagon in charge of their Behavioral Sciences Directorate. He studies "psychological precursors of terrorism" (you know, prevent + detect, so the first responder guys can stay in the firehaouse and play cards). He's also tasked with risk-benefit analysis for the Gitmo interrogations, last I heard. Tell you what. I'm a helluva lot more comfortable with using RBA regarding interrogation tactics than I am trying to apply Professor Sixpack's subjective sense of Ethics, when it comes to fellows who want to chop off my head, demolish our buildings, and fire shoulder-mounted ordnance at some jet plane my kids might be on. Haven't read the SSRN article but I'll hunt around for it and comment later if appropriate.
When the Abhu Ghraib revelations first surfaced I was inclined to believe that a minority of boneheads were behind it and I also felt a lot of the "torture" allegations were being hyped. However the recent revelations that have surfaced suggest a deeper and more prevasive problem.
It now appears that torture was used as a tool to humiliate others in a random and completely gratuitous fashion - for reasons of power and control basically. This is quite different from applying pressure to a suspect who has knowledge that within an hour a bomb will detonate in a mall killing and wounding hundreds. In such a case I would say do whatever it takes to extract information about the whereabouts of the device. To suggest that American methods can't be compared to the very real torture of regimes such as Iran isn't the point. Given the apparent extent of this problem we can't off-load responsibility by simply saying "its worse over there". Recently Hitchens in fact used the term "moral Chernobyl". When the Bush administration presumes to be an exporter of "freedom and democracy" to other countries it better make damn certain that its representitives are above this type of mass descent into moral idiocy.
I'm still wading through the Vischer article, but I may have to shelve it temporarily in favor of reading e.g. the new Balkinization posts on torture vs. abuse.
I can see that right off the bat, Vischer "loads the language" by conflating the two words "torture" and "abuse" and basically treats them as synonymous. Later in the piece he does discuss the two, but seems to focus on the fact that the lawyers in charge cannot adequately distinguish the two semantically, at least to his satisfaction. This is just carping, and to me suggests the utility of using risk benefit analysis. I'll finish reading the piece, but first I'm going to read the new Balkinization posts. If all Vischer offers is say that we're dealing with a fuzzy set here, i.e. some abuse = torture, he doesn't really add much to the mix nor does he help us gain useful information from detainees. So far he looks to be YAAC (Yet Another Armchair Critic), and while I can agree with his general proposition that we lawyers all too often ignore The Moral while zealously prosecuting the interests of our clients, so far he hasn't convinced me that the micro-case of Gitmo Abuse fits that mold. I'll probably comment more extensively on the newer posts rather than back here.
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